Lookie what I just ordered...*LONG WARNING*, Innovate LM-1 wideband O2 sensor! Options

[OOBE]

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/c...&cat=248&page=1

I told you guys I would get one eventually before starting my Celica again, hehe.
I'm going to Puerto Rico next Thursday. As many of you know, I broke a piston in the Celica and it's been down since 2003. My buddy back home picked it up from my house and is going to open up the engine tomorrow in his garage and asess the damage. He'll then order the parts from a dealership he used to work at. I don't want to drive that car again without knowing what's going on in the engine. That's why I bit the bullet and spent the money on this wideband O2 sensor. I already have a decent laptop so I can see the virtual gauges and datalog everything while driving. It records up to 44 minutes of data that you can replay and view in many formats. I got it with the aux box package which includes a 3 bar MAP sensor, EGT sensor, RPM sensor, and other sensors. It also has 5 inputs for hooking up external sensors and monitor them, like your TPS, suspension sensor, etc. It has two outputs, so you can hook up to other display or a cheap Autometer or other "worthless" air/fuel gauge and use it as an actual display for the air/fuel readings. Obviously, you have to program the output so it's accurate but it's easy. Yeah, it's a lot of money but think of everytime you go to the dyno...that's more than a hundred bucks a pop for an hour of tuning. You know dyno conditions are not like road conditions, where you're getting air in the engine, intercooler, and the car is actually moving it's own weight. So I know it'll pay for itself in the long run. I'm very happy for this decision...instead of spending money on a new laptop that I really don't need, I decided it would be better to protect the thousands of dollars I've invested in my Celica and Supra. I can buy another O2 sensor with bung and install it on my Supra when I return to Virginia. It comes with a plug so you can plug the bung in the downpipe when you remove the O2 sensor for use in another vehicle. This is a great investment, guys, and I think we would have a lot more running 7A-FTEs if we would've invested in good monitoring before getting crazy and relying on innacurate gauges. I'm getting it for $540 shipped through some guy in Honda-Tech that's doing a discount. Sign up there and jump in the bandwagon...this thing is awesome, accurate and cheap compared to the AEM, FJO and the other ones. I've read nothing but great things about it. The only bad ones is that you cannot datalog unless you buy the aux input RPM thingy for $99 or add the aux box for $250, which has all the sensors. But still, for less than $600, you save 6 trips to the dyno for tuning sessions and you can datalog whenever you want. OK, enough typing...I'm just excited. This is good...

This post has been edited by OOBE: Dec 23, 2004 - 11:35 PM

[lagos]

very nice! id love to get that for x-mas....hint hint

[OOBE]

Haha...dude...NO.
Hmmm...I'd love a 3S-GTE...hint hint.

[shid]

No matter how many sensors that thing has, it still can't give your hp accurately. Good for everything else tho.

[OOBE]

"it still can't give your hp accurately"

You're totally right...because the thing is a wideband O2 sensor, so it's not supposed to "give your horsepower accurately", just sensor readings and other data, LOL. This thing is for tuning, man. For finding out the horsepower, the dyno.

[shid]

"it still can't give your hp accurately"

You're totally right...because the thing is a wideband O2 sensor, so it's not supposed to "give your horsepower accurately",  just sensor readings and other data, LOL. This thing is for tuning, man. For finding out the horsepower, the dyno. 
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True, but you said worth 6 trips to the dyno and I wanted to be sure you weren't expecting it to do that.

Although theoritically you COULD make it give you your hp if you dyno it- find what you're putting down to the wheels, and then calibrate the system to match this. A couple guys I know have done this with their OBD2 sensor readers and it gives them pretty accurate results

[OOBE]

Yeah, I just meant to save time from tuning it using the dyno wideband, which is the time consuming part.

[shid]

Yeah, I just meant to save time from tuning it using the dyno wideband, which is the time consuming part.
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That it will.

[Kwanza26]

"it still can't give your hp accurately"

You're totally right...because the thing is a wideband O2 sensor, so it's not supposed to "give your horsepower accurately",  just sensor readings and other data, LOL. This thing is for tuning, man. For finding out the horsepower, the dyno. 
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True, but you said worth 6 trips to the dyno and I wanted to be sure you weren't expecting it to do that.

Although theoritically you COULD make it give you your hp if you dyno it- find what you're putting down to the wheels, and then calibrate the system to match this. A couple guys I know have done this with their OBD2 sensor readers and it gives them pretty accurate results
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Hehe... It all depends on the O2 sensor shid. Wideband O2s are far far more accurate because they can read a much larger more accurate range. Regardless if being tuned with an OBD reader, a smog machine, a A/F meter, a voltometer, the accuracy lies in the O2 sensor.

Also, as clearification for those who may have the wrong idea, a wideband O2 is not something that *adds* power. It's a tool used for FINE tuning. Just having a more accurate sensor and logger, can make tuning easier and can help fine-tune to make more Horsepower. Just having it does nothing...

[OOBE]

Hey, by looking at the picture of the AuxBox, it has an input that says MAP. I know that it is used to read boost or vaccuum. Now, is it possible to connect the stock MAP sensor's line in there and then route the output (if there's one) to the stock MAP sensor's connector, that way the ECU can read the signal? All the inputs and outputs are programmable by voltage, so I don't see how I cannot replace the stock MAP sensor with that built-in MAP sensor. I really don't want to use the stock one with check valves, and I cannot source a 3S-GTE MAP sensor anywhere. Sorry if I don't make any sense but lack of sleep makes me get overwhelmed and confused over the simplest things, hehe.

This post has been edited by OOBE: Dec 24, 2004 - 1:51 AM

[Kwanza26]

Hey, by looking at the picture of the AuxBox, it has an input that says MAP. I know that it is used to read boost or vaccuum. Now, is it possible to connect the stock MAP sensor's line in there and then route the output (if there's one) to the stock MAP sensor's connector, that way the ECU can read the signal? All the inputs and outputs are programmable by voltage, so I don't see how I cannot replace the stock MAP sensor with that built-in MAP sensor. I really don't want to use the stock one with check valves, and I cannot source a 3S-GTE MAP sensor anywhere. Sorry if I don't make any sense but lack of sleep makes me get overwhelmed and confused over the simplest things, hehe.
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A good map reading is fairly important so re-routeing may cause poor MAP readings. It's possible, but I wouldn't say much for the accuracy. The car should work fine either way... but having a good MAP signal means a lot for tuning.

[presure2]

good stuff, oobe, keep us updated on how it works, ect..

[zipstrips]

oobe! ive been eyeing that WB for a Long time.. good pick. make sure to let us know how you like it. id have one by now but i kinda dont have a need for it just yet.