So Bush...where are the WMD's?, friggin idiot... Options

[ghostdog]

What has he accomplished?
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assuming this was directed toward me, I say that because I think his administration has done what many of us would have considered impossible. to have 9/11 happen under your watch, raise the debt by untold billions, commit troops to (what I consider) an unjust cause, and still manage to be re-elected. he's a very talented persuader to turn such negatives into positives and for that I admire him and his administration. don't get me wrong, I still don't like the guy and I am a stonch liberal, just giving a bit of perspective to the situation

[Supersprynt]

Ah, sarcasm. I had a feeling but I wasnt sure. He got re-elected because he managed to pull every religous person from the depths of society who normally dont vote into the voting booths. If you noticed which states were red, they were southern and midwest.

[jgreening]

If you noticed which states were red, they were southern and midwest.

Whats your point?

[FallenHero]

If you noticed which states were red, they were southern and midwest.
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That's every election. Face it guys, they should never have tried to sell John Kerry. they could have used almost anyone else in the party and easily beat Bush,,, but they didn't. So why did he get the nomination? I have no clue... Maybe he had the financial backing???

[CheesyLobster]

If you noticed which states were red, they were southern and midwest.
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That's every election. Face it guys, they should never have tried to sell John Kerry. they could have used almost anyone else in the party and easily beat Bush,,, but they didn't. So why did he get the nomination? I have no clue... Maybe he had the financial backing???
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Agreed. I think that Kerry was a terrible choice as the dem. representative. Troughout history, the southern and widwest states have always supported the cannidate that better related to themself. Bush has the image of a working man who is religious and traditional, just like most of the people in the southern and midwest states.

My choice for the dem. candidate if I could have voted (im republican, and was 17) would have been Wesley Clark, or Dean (dean was a good candidate, but simply had his image destroied by that scream; shows how important image is in an election). Both of these candidates seemed to have the best intent for the counrty, where both bush and kerry, imo, did/do not.

[gas65]

Look what is running our country.

[Supersprynt]

If you noticed which states were red, they were southern and midwest.

Whats your point?
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That theres alot more people of the faith in those areas opposed to northeast and far west. In my opinion it effects elections way to much considering it should have nothing to do with them.

And I agree, Kerry wasnt a strong candidate.

[FallenHero]

If you noticed which states were red, they were southern and midwest.

Whats your point?
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That theres alot more people of the faith in those areas opposed to northeast and far west. In my opinion it effects elections way to much considering it should have nothing to do with them.

And I agree, Kerry wasnt a strong candidate.
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Well... it's a bit more complicated than that. People of faith tend to be a bit more conservative. Bush didn't push religion as much as his conservative nature. (Abortion is a key fact here) He didn't say 'god will smite thee' he put his opinions up as morally wrong.

It's all conservative Vs. liberal these days. the fact that most religious people are conservative really is just an afterthought.

[shid]

Actually I think the major issue here wasn't that people were religious and voted for Bush, it was that people WISHED they were religious, WISHED for those kind of values etc... it's a major social driver in america- this WISH to be religious. I think it's friggin nuts.

[SoundSlut_dotcom]

any1 ever consider the fact that iraq's WMD werent stationed in iraq? iraq is a country full of nuts willing 2 use wmd ... fk em'

[coustoe]

do people just post political post so they can yell at other people?

I understand if someone wants to discuss a political topic. which is cool, but just posting a rant so you can yell at people just gets people angry for no reason, and ruins the community

This post has been edited by coustoe: Jan 14, 2005 - 2:03 PM

[carb0n_f1b3r]

If you noticed which states were red, they were southern and midwest

ok. poli sci lesson....these are the results of the election county by county. if you notice, geographically, the majority of the country is 'red'. this lends its self to dispell those who propagate the fact that "its the south"or "its the midwest" and inform those of you who regurgitate these 'facts'. ok... back to the learnedness.... some of you might wonder why? why are some small areas blue and the rest red? well my friends the easiest way to find the moral of the story in political science is money.... income .... where does it come from? how? ect ect...
if you take out your handy dandy road map of the US and compare it to the election map you will notice that many of the counties are located in and around the biggest cities. these cities are very densly populated. the majority of the funds that are used by federal social programs are in these areas. which include welfare, unemployment, ect...ect.. although its true to say that the majority of americas economy flows through the larger cities in america this is also a place of extreme poverty. travel to any inner city of a large metropolitan area at night with your khakis and new kids on the block t-shirt on if you believe me..... this strife spills over into every neighborhood of these metros and affect everyone (economically) in general the reason why vastly populated areas are the the not so high kelvin color of blue is because of the democrats social policies. dems=big government, in turn lends itself to more money for social programs .. the farther away from the city the more self sustaining life style takes over and the ppl need the government less..... before you repeat something know why this person has told you this look at thier motives? what do they stand to gain? be someone who can recognize propaganda from either side of the political spectrum........ ignorance is strength

This post has been edited by carb0n_f1b3r: Jan 14, 2005 - 2:38 PM

[carb0n_f1b3r]

do people just post political post so they can yell at other people?

I understand if someone wants to discuss a political topic. which is cool, but just posting a rant so you can yell at people just gets people angry for no reason, and ruins the community

lol i love it, conflict is progress. understandably there are those out there who cannot take debating of an issue they stand for w/o getting thier emotional panties in a wad but there are always going to be those types of ppl.... fight the urges that we all have been indoctrinated with since grade school man.. its complacency conflict and debate is healthy for a community to grow

[shid]

If you noticed which states were red, they were southern and midwest

ok. poli sci lesson....these are the results of the election county by county. if you notice, geographically, the majority of the country is 'red'. this lends its self to dispell those who propagate the fact that "its the south"or "its the midwest" and inform those of you who regurgitate these 'facts'. ok... back to the learnedness.... some of you might wonder why? why are some small areas blue and the rest red? well my friends the easiest way to find the moral of the story in political science is money.... income .... where does it come from? how? ect ect...
if you take out your handy dandy road map of the US and compare it to the election map you will notice that many of the counties are located in and around the biggest cities. these cities are very densly populated. the majority of the funds that are used by federal social programs are in these areas. which include welfare, unemployment, ect...ect.. although its true to say that the majority of americas economy flows through the larger cities in america this is also a place of extreme poverty. travel to any inner city of a large metropolitan area at night with your khakis and new kids on the block t-shirt on if you believe me..... this strife spills over into every neighborhood of these metros and affect everyone (economically) in general the reason why vastly populated areas are the the not so high kelvin color of blue is because of the democrats social policies. dems=big government, in turn lends itself to more money for social programs .. the farther away from the city the more self sustaining life style takes over and the ppl need the government less..... before you repeat something know why this person has told you this look at thier motives? what do they stand to gain? be someone who can recognize propaganda from either side of the political spectrum........ ignorance is strength
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and your ignorance is flawed, the 'red" areas benefit from our socialist programs just as much as the blue areas- do you know how much this country spends subsidizing farmers?

[Supersprynt]

You shoulda found a better map cuz thats a county map.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

[coustoe]

do people just post political post so they can yell at other people?

I understand if someone wants to discuss a political topic. which is cool, but just posting a rant so you can yell at people just gets people angry for no reason, and ruins the community

lol i love it, conflict is progress. understandably there are those out there who cannot take debating of an issue they stand for w/o getting thier emotional panties in a wad but there are always going to be those types of ppl.... fight the urges that we all have been indoctrinated with since grade school man.. its complacency conflict and debate is healthy for a community to grow
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you missed the point this isnt a discussion its a rant, the person who started this thread started it as a rant, most all the political threads on this board start off as a rant, rants are not debates and do nothing for the community, and just get people angry, im tired of people trying to rile people up just to make themselves feel good.

Tell me how the thread starter post

Bush and all his supporters, im sorry to say it are retarded. He has got to be the dumbest president on earth. dumb f* cker.

is conducive to a debate/discussion, the point is he just wanted to rant and piss people off.

This post has been edited by coustoe: Jan 14, 2005 - 3:40 PM

[carb0n_f1b3r]

and your ignorance is flawed, the 'red" areas benefit from our socialist programs just as much as the blue areas- do you know how much this country spends subsidizing farmers?

lol

well first of all i never said "farmers" because not all ppl that do not live in large cities are "farmers" actually the majority of the ppl that live outside of large cities are not "farmers"....and secondly

Main Entry: ig·no·rance
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&n(t)s
Function: noun
: the state or fact of being ignorant


ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&nt
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- ig·no·rant·ly adverb
- ig·no·rant·ness noun
synonyms IGNORANT, ILLITERATE, UNLETTERED, UNTUTORED, UNLEARNED mean not having knowledge. IGNORANT may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing <an ignorant fool> <ignorant of nuclear physics>. ILLITERATE applies to either an absolute or a relative inability to read and write <much of the population is still illiterate>. UNLETTERED implies ignorance of the knowledge gained by reading <an allusion meaningless to the unlettered>. UNTUTORED may imply lack of schooling in the arts and ways of civilization <strange monuments built by an untutored people>. UNLEARNED suggests ignorance of advanced subjects <poetry not for academics but for the unlearned masses>.


as for my 'ignorance' i have never known ignorance to be "flawed," logic perhaps would be the more coherent the word ... don't use a gun if you don't understand it.....

This post has been edited by carb0n_f1b3r: Jan 14, 2005 - 4:48 PM

[carb0n_f1b3r]

these are the tw0 departments of the government that have the majority of social program 's budget.....
Department of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson, Acting Secretary www.hud.gov 202–708–1112 Number of Employees: 10,600
2005 Discretionary Budget Authority: $31.3 billion Department of Health and Human Services Tommy G. Thompson, Secretary www.hhs.gov 202–619–0257 Number of Employees: 67,000 2005 Discretionary Budget Authority: $66.8 billion

on the flip side of that this department's budget is what handles "farmer subsidaries"
Department of Agriculture Ann M. Veneman, Secretary www.usda.gov 202–720–3631 Number of Employees: 109,832 2005 Discretionary Budget Authority: $19.1 billion

say what you will but do the math friend Hud has more cash flow than the ag sect.

and that map was supposed to be by county

[carb0n_f1b3r]

is conducive to a debate/discussion, the point is he just wanted to rant and piss people off.

yeah i know what your saying, coustoe, i just mean that i like to debate with those ppl with out getting mad and make em look like idiots

ed. and sorry to everybody for being a dirty post whore

This post has been edited by carb0n_f1b3r: Jan 14, 2005 - 4:04 PM