4age turbo? 4age? 7age? 4agze? or 7afte Options

[MonsterBOX]

I have the ****ty ST...i can't afford a 3sge or 3sgte, its too much cash to do the swap and the tranny and the wiring is hard so instead I want to go with an easier route....i know most people with the 7afe put the 20v 4age head on and they end up with a 7age but they get low revv and only gained hp in the 5k range...is it better the just switch out the whole engine with a blacktop 4age to ur st tranny giving u 165 at the crank? and is it possible to turbo charge this in the future? Other get the 4agze but it only pushes 165 in the low end so isnt it better to have a black top with same hp and without the supercharger...i just dont know what to do...i need a reliable engine cuz my 7afe is bout to die...

[thedevilmaycrie]

my opinon...
use your 7afe block install a 4agze head ... and if you want line power do the 4agze supercharger with a the el prototypes s/c pulley or if you want top end throw on a turbo...

-DMC

[Rjb23]

My opinion, do the 3sgte swap. By the time you swap a 4age or do a 4agze head swap you are looking at about the same costs.

[Punch]

if you can't afford it don't even get in to boost!
I'm just geting all the parts to turbo my car it's cost me $1500-$2000 already & I still need more parts!!!

[vangSTa_celica]

My opinion, do the 3sgte swap. By the time you swap a 4age or do a 4agze head swap you are looking at about the same costs.

Didn't it cost Coomer only $2500 for the 4A-GE swap??

[dstrbcelica]

My opinion, do the 3sgte swap. By the time you swap a 4age or do a 4agze head swap you are looking at about the same costs.
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he already has done the swap. this is something new. anyway..i vote for 4a-gte. that's what i would like to see.

-dstrb

[ghostdog]

Other get the 4agze but it only pushes 165 in the low end so isnt it better to have a black top with same hp and without the supercharger...i just dont know what to do...i need a reliable engine cuz my 7afe is bout to die...
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the 20v engines are notoriously overrated.

lets start with how much money you have to spend .. ?

[MonsterBOX]

$2000 absolute max

[Jeremy1210]

isn't Nik selling his turbo system?

[Rjb23]

My opinion, do the 3sgte swap. By the time you swap a 4age or do a 4agze head swap you are looking at about the same costs.
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he already has done the swap. this is something new. anyway..i vote for 4a-gte. that's what i would like to see.

-dstrb
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If he already did the swap why is he in here asking about it?

[dstrbcelica]

My opinion, do the 3sgte swap. By the time you swap a 4age or do a 4agze head swap you are looking at about the same costs.
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he already has done the swap. this is something new. anyway..i vote for 4a-gte. that's what i would like to see.

-dstrb
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If he already did the swap why is he in here asking about it?
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check it out...he's got a project ST right now...or atleast that's what he told me. DMC..help me out here.

-dstrb

[Rjb23]

My opinion, do the 3sgte swap. By the time you swap a 4age or do a 4agze head swap you are looking at about the same costs.
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he already has done the swap. this is something new. anyway..i vote for 4a-gte. that's what i would like to see.

-dstrb
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If he already did the swap why is he in here asking about it?
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check it out...he's got a project ST right now...or atleast that's what he told me. DMC..help me out here.

-dstrb
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This isn't dmc's thread.

This post has been edited by Rjb23: Feb 6, 2005 - 3:35 AM

[dstrbcelica]

My opinion, do the 3sgte swap. By the time you swap a 4age or do a 4agze head swap you are looking at about the same costs.
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he already has done the swap. this is something new. anyway..i vote for 4a-gte. that's what i would like to see.

-dstrb
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If he already did the swap why is he in here asking about it?
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check it out...he's got a project ST right now...or atleast that's what he told me. DMC..help me out here.

-dstrb
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This isn't dmc's thread.
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opps...*slaps forehead* but anyway..my vote is still for 4agte.

-dstrb

[ghostdog]

$2000 absolute max
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that figure is a bit low for a swap, I would save a bit more before even attempting something like that. if you're current engine is failing maybe you should swap a newer 7afe with the idea of turbo'ing later on

[thedevilmaycrie]

well you can pick up a 4agze engine for 900 max on ebay, the harness i knwo a place that will make it for you for 450 and the labor thats the easy part... if you where in cali i could do it for 400 labor...

-DMC

[Kwanza26]

Gotta consider shipping when you're buying from ebay... and there is very very little protection if you get a bad engine. That will only cost more money. And being a "swapped" guy DMC... you should also know basic labor such as gaskets, belts, seals, clutch, water pump, etc... should also be done because of the relatively unknown conditions of used engines. That itself can be costly. No-one ever really mentions anything about that step... and I hope it's being done.

Take it from me... basic engine replacement in a AE86 corolla gts... engine costed 300.00 out the door, was totally refreshed with all new seals and gaskets for about 100.00, another 100.00 for a clutch kit, 40.00 for a waterpump, basic tune-up stuff for 80.00, totalling a little over 600.00. That's just to prep the engine. If you cannot do the swap yourself... add in another 4-5 hours of labor at 60-100 dollars per hour depending on locale and shop just to drop in the engine... and then who knows how much for wiring... anywhere from 400-1000 dollars and trust me... you'll find you need stuff that you're not gonna have and then you'll have to buy it, order it, wait, and pay more money.

[94ST2]

Check out this 4age http://www.japanstarmotor.com/4age.html is the hp for this listed right?

[Mr2swift]

Gotta consider shipping when you're buying from ebay... and there is very very little protection if you get a bad engine.  That will only cost more money.  And being a "swapped" guy DMC... you should also know basic labor such as gaskets, belts, seals, clutch, water pump, etc... should also be done because of the relatively unknown conditions of used engines.  That itself can be costly.  No-one ever really mentions anything about that step... and I hope it's being done.

Take it from me... basic engine replacement in a AE86 corolla gts...  engine costed 300.00 out the door, was totally refreshed with all new seals and gaskets for about 100.00, another 100.00 for a clutch kit, 40.00 for a waterpump, basic tune-up stuff for 80.00, totalling a little over 600.00.  That's just to prep the engine.  If you cannot do the swap yourself... add in another 4-5 hours of labor at 60-100 dollars per hour depending on locale and shop just to drop in the engine... and then who knows how much for wiring... anywhere from 400-1000 dollars and trust me... you'll find you need stuff that you're not gonna have and then you'll have to buy it, order it, wait, and pay more money.
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That is a darn good point, and I have noticed throught my short membership here that you make very good points. You do not just want to throw an engine in without freshing it up a bit. However there are a few and I mean a few exceptions to the rule and that is a super low mileage late model engine like a 3rd gen 3sgte. Even though it has super low mileage it is still highly advisable to at minimum change the clutch.

[nik]

in short IMAO

i would go 7agte or 7afte

7afte cheapest gain 30-70 HP ( fun car )
7agte (head and wiring+turbo) gain 50-100+ ((best of both worlds))
4agte (bolt in +wiring+turbo) gain 30-70 ((close to the 7afe but better))
3sgte ( new mounts+wiring ) gain 100-150+ ((most expensive))

then it all depends on if you do internal work like rods pistons etc

[Kwanza26]

That is a darn good point, and I have noticed throught my short membership here that you make very good points. You do not just want to throw an engine in without freshing it up a bit. However there are a few and I mean a few exceptions to the rule and that is a super low mileage late model engine like a 3rd gen 3sgte. Even though it has super low mileage it is still highly advisable to at minimum change the clutch.
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I try... ;]

There are a few of us who have been around the block and back again. An analogy for this learning process: an engine is just an engine; it needs oil and runs on gas. After you learn more, an engine is no longer and engine. There are pistons, cams, rings, seals, and many intricate parts that make it all work. There are many basic things that can be done to increase output. The last step after that, an engine is once again just an engine. You now understand all engines work on the same principle, minus the occasional wankel, but at this stage, it is no longer "how"?... but "why"?

Some philosophy for y'all... ;]