AIR INTAKES, benifits, questions, problems, answers.. Options

[duga10]

There are alot of people (in these forums + other places) that dont really understand what a air intake is suppposed to do!

They simply go for the whole $250+ "fast looking" intake that "guarantees"
10 000kw at the front wheels!

There is simply no need to spend more than around $65-$80 of which i recommend most of that cash goes into a good filter (some suggestions are...
Jackson Racing, Apexi, JAKS. all these three brands were tried and tested and the Jackson racing one cost $45 (AUS) and gave the BEST resuts even as a short ram on to the stock rubber piping!


And now to the Short RAM vs. the Cold Air Intake debate!
This depends on what your needs and prefrences are.
but put simply for more POWER the CAI is better
for better SOUND the CAI is better
for hassle free INSTALLATION the Short RAM is bettter
for a cleaner filter and less MAITNANCE the Short RAM is better

now lets remember that COLD air is much more DENSER than warm/hot air
and COLD air is many times more COMBUSTABLE than warm/hot air

now you do the math and its simple cold air+good fuel+good spark (ignition) gives the most power!

POST your replys, questions, problems, answers, anything to do with the air intake

[XxAxnCelica95xX]

i think everybody knwo cold air intake giv more hp..but the thing is..wat happen when the water get in it..then wat.....Imao.

[playr158]

1st off in a 6th gen celica a SHORT RAM is USELESS for the most part
if you look even if you leave the stock airbox piping in the fender there
the SHORT RAM sucks in more ENGINE TEMP air then colder air
this HURTS the performance since the stock box is CLOSED and gets cold air

SHORT RAM=bad on 6gc celica

CAI
now this is THE BEST ROUTE
physics
1)when temperature of any thing rises molecules accelerate/move faster and faster creating thin air
hot air = bad aka "THIN AIR"
2)when you lower temperatures molecules slow down and get denser because of the less traveling room between molecules needed
COLD = good "thick air"

that proves CAI > Short ram

point 3 if you locate your filter in the front of the car preforably in the stock fog light hole or in case of a vader kit on the DRIVER side most front vent
this Automatically creates the BEST cold air for your car since the air is forcing it self anywere from 0-120 mph onto your vehical
this cold air will then hit the filter that is right behind the fog light hole or what not and create a higher intake pressure (since the air is being "shoved" into the intake piping
this gets more air to the engine FASTER and DENSER
DENSER = BIIIIIG BOOOOM
less dense = lil boom

oh and as for water
AEM makes a by-pass valve this is for when your filter is FULLY SUBMERGED not partially submerged
this filter is made of a material that allows the intake to get air from it when the main filter is blocked off by water
but how many times have you been 2 feet high water driving?

This post has been edited by playr158: Feb 19, 2005 - 12:09 AM

[duga10]

prevention is always better than the cure! always protect your CAI filter by placing it to one side and away from the gap towards the ground (onto the plastic covering, if you still have it on!)

a shield could allso be put in to prevent water from wetting the filter (made from plastic or some sort of steel, just make sure its bolted on very well and tightly so it doesnt rattle or get loose and cause problems in the engine bay)

The truth is though is that a lot of water has to go into the filter to do any damage at all (something like driving through a flood or a long puudle of water) this is because the heat from your engine bay will dry most small amounts of water pretty quickly.

[duga10]

There is a new item on the market called an "inlet fan"

now i dont know much about it but this is the rundown....

1.it's a small 'circular' fan made by 3 or 4 blades that fits inside your intake piping
2.it was invented to help with air circulation inside the piping
3.it circulates the air inside the pipe to reduce drag from the different air denses (it removes the lag of hot air which is slower and sticks to the inside walls of the pipe, and can not get through as fast as cold air.
4.it only fits on 'steel piping larger than 2" in diameter

if your like me you would believe this is another gimmick to get money of the public, but ill have to actually see with my own eyes what it really does (maybe even a dyno read out?)

what do you think?

[saleeka]

i said screw all that and bought a TRD air filter for about 80 bucks, and its been good to me so there

[playr158]

a filter doesn't get you cold air?
its just stock replacement

CAI is much different

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I dunno...I wouldnt say that my short ram intake hurt performance at all. I definately witnessed a change in the engines tone, as well as its throttle response and pick-up when I put in my intake. For the money I spent, it really does make a great difference over stock, especially when you're hard on the throttle.

[hs2g]

There is a new item on the market called an "inlet fan"

now i dont know much about it but this is the rundown....

1.it's a small 'circular' fan made by 3 or 4 blades that fits inside your intake piping
2.it was invented to help with air circulation inside the piping
3.it circulates the air inside the pipe to reduce drag from the different air denses (it removes the lag of hot air which is slower and sticks to the inside walls of the pipe, and can not get through as fast as cold air.
4.it only fits on 'steel piping larger than 2" in diameter

if your like me you would believe this is another gimmick to get money of the public, but ill have to actually see with my own eyes what it really does (maybe even a dyno read out?)

what do you think?
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I think you are referring to the tornado?

[playr158]

probably the tornado that does nothing considering the way our intake manifold is if i correctly remember wat was said in a topic about this earlier bout a year ago that does nothing for us

" witnessed a change in the engines tone," thats not proving anything?
noise isn't hp lol my cold air makes a noise too? so did putting a K&N in the stock air box? doesn't mean that its colder air? or more performance

personally
i had a custom CAI that was convertable to a RAM

the cai FRONT MOUNT (meaning the filter is located in the front kinda like an intercooler but an intake and it DEFENITLY did much better then the short ram

i think the short ram only pulls a TINY better in throttle reponse since it is short and the vaccum doesn't have very far to pull the air as compared to a CAI but cai is most(99.9%) better then sh ram

[LewFX]

where do you get a cai brand intake?

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

" witnessed a change in the engines tone," thats not proving anything?
noise isn't hp lol my cold air makes a noise too? so did putting a K&N in the stock air box? doesn't mean that its colder air? or more performance

Did I ever say that noise adds horsepower? .....I think I know better than that. All I said was that the engine sounds better in the way it runs, I'm not even talking about the growl the intake makes under WOT.

I also never claimed that it made ANY horsepower increase if you read my post....so I dont see where youre getting your ideas from.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

where do you get a cai brand intake?
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A CAI is just short for a Cold Air Intake, which is where the intake plumbing extends beyond the engine bay to pick up colder denser air away from the engine bay.

A Short Ram Intake, like the Injen or Weapon-R brand intakes for our cars, is simply shorter and draws air from under the hood. 95celigt also makes intakes for our cars for cheaper, or you can make your own. I would suggest making your own CAI or buy one for a Honda and make it work.

[ghostdog]

I'd like to see some dyno sheets for those of you claiming one is significantly better than the other. or perhaps you yourself are judging by 'engine tone' or the ever so accurate butt-meter

yes its true that a cai generally produces better gains than a sri but its so negligible is it even worth arguing in the first place?

[combatc87]

" witnessed a change in the engines tone," thats not proving anything?
noise isn't hp lol my cold air makes a noise too? so did putting a K&N in the stock air box? doesn't mean that its colder air? or more performance

Did I ever say that noise adds horsepower? .....I think I know better than that. All I said was that the engine sounds better in the way it runs, I'm not even talking about the growl the intake makes under WOT.
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well, more often than not, sound comes with increase in power. think about a turbo, huge power and huge sound. or even an aftermarket exhaust. you get power and sound. not that i'm implying this is an accurate measure of power, but if you think about it the two go hand in hand. oh, and hello everyone, this is my first post. i came over here cause my friend, Shigexile, is a member here. i have a Celica, but it's a 7th gen.

[playr158]

#1 welcome and glad your here

#2 thats not really true sound and power go hand in hand
but yes when you get more it creates more
1 form being noise lol

but yea this is nosence arguing over but ruffly
if our lucky you get 5 hp

[madmods]

I'd have to say that a cai is going to give you more horsepower then the short ram,
due to cooler air = horsepower.

As far as that inlet fan, thats all over ebay and called an electric supercharger. Basically its a fan that sucks in air into your stock or aftermarket ram system. I bought one, but haven't installed it. It actually makes sense to me. I don't think its worth more ten 5 or 6 hp though. I dont believe the claims of 30 hp

[2003cbgts]

i said screw all that and bought a TRD air filter for about 80 bucks, and its been good to me so there 
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how u like it> any difference at all?

[crumpdogg]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...me=STRK:MEWN:IT


I would say this was more than worth the $80 shipped. Can't see paying much more for an intake. E-bay has them all over for cheap. Don't go with the name brand if you don't have to.