RWD Celica, Swapping Supra drivetrain into Celica Options

[popstar]

yeah great, but why RWD ?

why not just build yourself a GT-4.......

power from a GS GTE and AWD, far better than a RWD unless you want it for drifting ???????? if you want traction AWD and as it already exists you have all the parts and info you need

[playr158]

RWD isn't usless for just drifting?
its a great platform for oh drag tooo dur
AWD 6gc already exists too

this project is about beatting the odds, doing what sumone hasn't b4, having an ORIGINAL piece

and kwanza although i do agree with about 98% of what you say cause it really is good info......that was arogant of you to post.....#1 your not god here there more mechanically indepth people here then you, there are people OLDER/Done this longer/and achieved more then you...your not the only one here who can do projects.....
#2 WTF DO AGE HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING
he can be 12 for all we care as long as he tries......
#3 i hope he does it to spite everyone

[4wheelWOnder]

I agree.....having the only 6gc possibly in the world, with rear wheel drive only, will make toyota clap their hands..........its all about uniquness, and if he said he can do it, i and many others on this forum, would like to see if he can bring it.............just because its unique.

[darksecret]

I really really hate these topics... because 90-99% of the time, the people who start these topics... don't know what it takes and don't have what it takes.  Here are some simple ones... What rear end?  What rear suspension?  What about the steering rack?  Engine?  Trans?  Reinforcement?  Subframe? Crossmembers? Wiring?

Many people have already "claimed" to be doing RWD conversions, and many are gonna try and "prove me wrong"... but so far... I'm something like 100%... so you're just another new name on a long list of dreamers...  How old are you anyways?
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That is why I am doing my homework now. I know what it takes to make RWD and i've take into consideration the amount of work. To answer your questions the rear end will be from the Supra (if my measurements are correct), the suspension will be a wishbone set-up, the steering I haven't tackled yet, the transmission will be a Getrag 6, I can't answer reinforcement since that could be anything, the subframe will be stock but possibly modified to accomidate the mounts and front wishbones, crossmembers will be a typical RWD set-up (basically most RWD unibody cars have the same set-up) wiring will be custom, I mean completely custom (I love wiring). So I am ready to find what it takes and for anyone that is also willing to try this here is a link that might ease some pain http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/specs.htm

[BBoYRuGGeD]

darksecret you brave brave man(and if u pull this off you ARE the MAN).... do it.... do it...... DO IT!......



BBoY

[thedevilmaycrie]

hey you have my support ... if you need any help on the 3sgte ask id love to help out... for the wiring since your going big on the whole setup id suggest a haltech or other EMS... please keep us up to date and let us know what we can help with... dont give up

-DMC

[darksecret]

I want everyone to know that I am taking all opinions into consideration and as I stated in my first post I know this is impracticle and it will be more work than it seems worth but if I can produce these results this will definitly be a unique vehicle. I know that this is very possible due to the chassis layout. It will take a while due to the amount of modification required but if someone can stuff a twin turbo iForce V8 with RWD into a 5th Gen then I wont give up.

[Coomer]

Yeah, that's a good point...I almost forgot about that car. You may want to look at using the ST205 rear end. Didn't that twin turbo fifth gen. with the V8 use the stock ST185 rear end?

[darksecret]

Hey Kwanza im 21 and have built or help build 1 950Hp Blown Chevelle, 1 650Hp All Motor Chevelle, a 400Hp GMC Sierra, and now my next project is this and probably turbocharging a 02 Lancer OZ. I know it sounds like talk but if you give a couple of days I can find pics of all of these. The Chevelles are my uncles and the truck was mine, sold it for this car. I have track slips for the Chevelles somewhere also. I was told the truck has a video but a friend has the tape I haven't seen it but i'll try to find it. Given time I can show some proof.

[darksecret]

Yeah, that's a good point...I almost forgot about that car. You may want to look at using the ST205 rear end. Didn't that twin turbo fifth gen. with the V8 use the stock ST185 rear end?
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I can't remember, I have pics and he mounted it to the sides of the frame so if that set-up worked then mounts might not be as much of a headache. Only thing is the V8 is much wider so the mounts would have to be set lower. I would like to get the dimensions of the 3S from the pully to the output shaft, mainly to see what room I have to work with. If I can set the Getrag far enough forward then I wouldn't have to worry about cutting the firewall. Rear ends are pretty generic as far as design, its the axles and differential that make the biggest difference, U-Joints and axles can easily be made so it's more about what kind of housing will fit the width and the types of diffs that can be used.

[easternpiro1]

Hey dark im ALL THE WAY BEHIND YA MAN!! Some people forget that making vehicles as they are now were once thought IMPOSSIBLE! years ago people thought we couldnt get a man on the moon, and some dont know it happened! DO THA DAYUM THING! (and being im in charlotte, too, ive GOTTA see this!!!)

[shid]

Uhh, you keep saying your inspiration is from the top secret supra, which stuffed the 3sgte in the engine bay.. but the 3sgte easily fits into the supra's engine bay cus it's SMALLER than the 2jz engine. You keep saying how they fit, well. Cool. Too bad it doesn't matter at all since you're trying to do this in a much smaller celica engine bay. You can fit a ton of crap in a supra bay that you can't fit in a celica.

So, step one, stop drawing inspiration from a supra setup.

This post has been edited by shid: Mar 15, 2005 - 12:33 PM

[darksecret]

Uhh, you keep saying your inspiration is from the top secret supra, which stuffed the 3sgte in the engine bay.. but the 3sgte easily fits into the supra's engine bay cus it's SMALLER than the 2jz engine. You keep saying how they fit, well. Cool. Too bad it doesn't matter at all since you're trying to do this in a much smaller celica engine bay. You can fit a ton of crap in a supra bay that you can't fit in a celica.

So, step one, stop drawing inspiration from a supra setup.
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Have you seen the TS Supra, the 3S sits far enough back in the engine bay to consider it a Mid-Engine. Any engine that sits between the Front and Rear suspension assembly is a Mid-Engine.
I don't have a 3S to measure but I can try to find a Supra. There are 3 in the East Charlotte area and I don't know the owners or see them often. Also I base the Celica off the Supra due to the measurements of the two cars are within inches of each other. the biggest difference is that the Celica is an AWD style chassis so the weight of the car car is more balanced on all four wheels than the rears and the driver area is set further forward reducing the engine bay by around 1' 6" compared to the Supra, but look at the TS and you'll see that there is a radiator thats facing the ground.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Mar 15, 2005 - 12:52 PM

[darksecret]

The only problem I believe will be that the Celica was designed with a forward slope on the hood so the engine had to lay back in the bay. Hood clearance might prove to be an issue. Im suprised that after thinking of the drivetrain issues that the hood could be a real problem.

Edit: That still wont stop me from trying though. Everyone remember there is a method to my madness.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Mar 15, 2005 - 1:00 PM

[Kwanza26]

and kwanza although i do agree with about 98% of what you say cause it really is good info......that was arogant of you to post.....#1 your not god here there more mechanically indepth people here then you, there are people OLDER/Done this longer/and achieved more then you...your not the only one here who can do projects.....
#2 WTF DO AGE HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING
he can be 12 for all we care as long as he tries......
#3 i hope he does it to spite everyone
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Heh... I don't claim to be anything player... unlike you. I can just tell from the way people post and address their questions whether or not they are capable. I ask basic questions which help determine their capability. I'm not here to put anyone down or anything like that, but I am here to approach tuning from a realistic standpoint... again... unlike you who simply repeats any and every idea ever... don't challenge me boy...

Hey Kwanza im 21 and have built or help build 1 950Hp Blown Chevelle, 1 650Hp All Motor Chevelle, a 400Hp GMC Sierra, and now my next project is this and probably turbocharging a 02 Lancer OZ. I know it sounds like talk but if you give a couple of days I can find pics of all of these. The Chevelles are my uncles and the truck was mine, sold it for this car. I have track slips for the Chevelles somewhere also. I was told the truck has a video but a friend has the tape I haven't seen it but i'll try to find it. Given time I can show some proof.

So you're saying you have no toyota experience? Not the answer I was looking for, but it's good to know you're not 15 or 16... Talk is cheap... remember that. As for the TS supra, mid engine, blah blah... FYI, being mid engine doesn't mean the engine has to sit between the front and rear suspension. I can say for sure, MR2's don't, in fact, most transversely mounted engines sit either right on, or a little bit in either direction from the suspension towers. It's always like this to increase front grip. The reason a car is called mid engine, is because the engine is literally in the middle of the car. The old bugs are called rear engine, cause they have no compartment behind the engine, while the MR2 and NSX have a little trunk behind the engine... hence, mid engine. The only reason the TS Supra has a 3SGTE sitting all the way to the firewall, is because of weight balance... other wise wouldn't Mazda be calling the RX7/8 "midengines"?

Anyway, to "help" you on your way, the 3SGTE can fit longitudinally in the Celica bay, but you will have to address the steering rack, which will be blocking the tranny, the exhaust downpipe, and the engine. This reason alone, you cannot mount the 3SGTE really far back there, and you'll need to do a significant chop of the firewall. This is the largest problem... even greater than custom fitting a rear-end. Good luck... but I have a feeling I'll still be 100%... prove me wrong.

[darksecret]

Kwanza Toyota experience or not cars are not as complex as people like to think. Most people get scared of doing a project like this but I live for this. Some people couldn't tell you how to build or fix a computer but I do it daily. I spend my time either working on computers or cars and now it's time to do something that is fully possible. Like I said I have considered a lot of problems that could arise but when the first Chevelle I helped my uncle with s*** the bottom end of his 400 small block because he was showing off and changed his nitrous jets we didn't give up, the car went through 3 engines before he finally went for a blown 427. My point is no matter how long or what it takes this car will be a RWD Celica and it is very possible

This post has been edited by darksecret: Mar 15, 2005 - 1:59 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I really really hate these topics... because 90-99% of the time, the people who start these topics... don't know what it takes and don't have what it takes.  Here are some simple ones... What rear end?  What rear suspension?  What about the steering rack?  Engine?  Trans?  Reinforcement?  Subframe? Crossmembers? Wiring?

Many people have already "claimed" to be doing RWD conversions, and many are gonna try and "prove me wrong"... but so far... I'm something like 100%... so you're just another new name on a long list of dreamers...  How old are you anyways?
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Come on man, don't be hatin. There's no harm in talking about it. It's all in good fun you know. If someone eventually really does it, that would be awsome. But it's still neat to talk about the theoritical "how to."

[darksecret]

I don't want everyone to give Kwanza a hard time I like the fact he's bringing up questions like those, it gives me something to consider when overcoming this. Im researching this stuff now and when I get my data together I will start looking for parts. It's better to blue print an engine before you actually get the parts. I want questions that are going to make me think, I don't want people who heard from a friends cousins friend that the motor mounts from the 3S will not fit because his psychic told him it wouldn't. Im not mad at Kwanza for this and I don't have a reason he's giving reasonable questions and comments other than the no experience with Toyotas, i've had this car for about 3-4 months or something like that, my brother had this car for 2 years and his friend got it new so I now a little about it. Let's say I know more now than I did 3-4 months ago. Im actually serious about this conversion and that is why I have this much info, but as Kwanza said I do need to consider the steering rack as with other items. Kwanza you also shouldn't bash someones ability to work on a car, a year ago I wouldn't trust my girlfriend to change her air filter, but she is getting better. I do believe that if you don't know what you are talking about not to give advice on something, so then you ask someone who knows and learn.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Mar 15, 2005 - 2:26 PM

[darksecret]

Also Kwanza on the Mid-Engine thing http://www.topsecretjpn.com/gt300.shtml
Check were the strut towers are on the supra and where the gears are on the 3S.
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/10/acuransx05_engine.jpg
I can find a better pics of this but it will work for now
http://www.autoweb.com/content/research/vi...es_id_int/38371
heres another

This post has been edited by darksecret: Mar 15, 2005 - 2:45 PM

[shid]

Uhh, you keep saying your inspiration is from the top secret supra, which stuffed the 3sgte in the engine bay.. but the 3sgte easily fits into the supra's engine bay cus it's SMALLER than the 2jz engine. You keep saying how they fit, well. Cool. Too bad it doesn't matter at all since you're trying to do this in a much smaller celica engine bay. You can fit a ton of crap in a supra bay that you can't fit in a celica.

So, step one, stop drawing inspiration from a supra setup.
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Have you seen the TS Supra, the 3S sits far enough back in the engine bay to consider it a Mid-Engine. Any engine that sits between the Front and Rear suspension assembly is a Mid-Engine.
I don't have a 3S to measure but I can try to find a Supra. There are 3 in the East Charlotte area and I don't know the owners or see them often. Also I base the Celica off the Supra due to the measurements of the two cars are within inches of each other. the biggest difference is that the Celica is an AWD style chassis so the weight of the car car is more balanced on all four wheels than the rears and the driver area is set further forward reducing the engine bay by around 1' 6" compared to the Supra, but look at the TS and you'll see that there is a radiator thats facing the ground.
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Dude, you don't get it do you? I don't give a rats ass about the TS Supra, because it has NOTHING to do with you attempting to put a RWD drivetrain on a celica. So I don't see why on earth you keep mentioning how your project is possible because of the TS Supra, they don't have anything to do with one another. a 3sgte powered supra isn't proof that you could jam the same thing into a much smaller celica.