RWD Celica, Swapping Supra drivetrain into Celica Options

[playr158]

i'll learn from this i really am interested in his swap i think yes it is IMPRACTICAL for him to do
but worth it? HELL YES THIS IS WORTH IT

i think you should defenitly consider using the 20x rear supension set up since it was designed for the celica and will relieve you of many further complications and fabrications to get the rear diff to work cause it would involve a few less changes....for the drive shaft defenitly custom for the hell of it go C/F lol that would be hotness..
exhaust hmm side exit would solve it but make good noise
a/c yea 99% sure you'll have to ditch
steering? hard issue to resolve?

who said 2jz?


good luck with this man!

[Jeremy1210]

Engines these days pratically swap themselves.
Step 1: Remove 5s/7a
Step 2: Just toss 2jz in there. Turn up side down for that cool "angled exhuast" look.
Step 3" Pour a few quarts of oil on engine.
Step 4: Close hood.

Give the celica about a week so the 2JZ can get use to being in there. That wasn't so hard, now was it?

I think he is trying to be funny or something, but it turned out lame as his usual posts do turn out.

Anyway, I hope that you do this. Don't let anyone on this site turn you away from what you want to do. Kwanza has good questions and is challenging you to see the difficulties in doing this so when you decide to do it, you will have all the questions answered.

[CheesyLobster]

Engines these days pratically swap themselves.
Step 1: Remove 5s/7a
Step 2: Just toss 2jz in there. Turn up side down for that cool "angled exhuast" look.
Step 3" Pour a few quarts of oil on engine.
Step 4: Close hood.

Give the celica about a week so the 2JZ can get use to being in there. That wasn't so hard, now was it?

I think he is trying to be funny or something, but it turned out lame as his usual posts do turn out.

Anyway, I hope that you do this. Don't let anyone on this site turn you away from what you want to do. Kwanza has good questions and is challenging you to see the difficulties in doing this so when you decide to do it, you will have all the questions answered.
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Please, neither of you be negative. There is criticism, and there is malice. Don't confuse the two.

[maikl]

well we have a rwd subaru sti here in cyprus.... but i gues it's easyer to make a 4wd-rwd than an fwd...... good luck with it, atleast have fun in the prosses and don't get nervous, stressed etc..... enjoy the project;)

This post has been edited by maikl: Mar 17, 2005 - 3:29 AM

[darksecret]

hi i just want to wish u luck and a few questions,

Would it be hard to go awd? and do just want RWD?
Also would it be easier to make a custom driveshaft?
Or use a olfer celicas RWD setup?

Sry if this questions or stupuid or already answerd
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It would be more work to go AWD and I also want to have the only RWD 6th gen. that I know of. Also AWD is good but the only main benefit of AWD is traction and a well set up RWD can prove to be great at traction also. This link will give some reasons why AWD isn't as good as people think. www.i-supra.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=154607117&f=2686087201&m=8316093631

The driveshaft will probably need to be fab'd it determines what the measurements are from the transmission U-Joint to the diff. U-Joint.

It would be just as hard to fit an older Celica's drivetrain, easier to find the parts but still the same work. If im doing the same work then I can just source one of the best drivetrains in the world. Basically, why use a drivetrain from a 20 year old car that would probably fail after a few months of pounding or one that is a few years old that loves abuse.

[darksecret]

Engines these days pratically swap themselves.
Step 1: Remove 5s/7a
Step 2: Just toss 2jz in there. Turn up side down for that cool "angled exhuast" look.
Step 3" Pour a few quarts of oil on engine.
Step 4: Close hood.

Give the celica about a week so the 2JZ can get use to being in there. That wasn't so hard, now was it?
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You forgot to add a pinch of salt to taste.

[darksecret]

i'll learn from this i really am interested in his swap i think yes it is IMPRACTICAL for him to do
but worth it? HELL YES THIS IS WORTH IT

i think you should defenitly consider using the 20x rear supension set up since it was designed for the celica and will relieve you of many further complications and fabrications to get the rear diff to work cause it would involve a few less changes....for the drive shaft defenitly custom for the hell of it go C/F lol that would be hotness..
exhaust hmm side exit would solve it but make good noise
a/c yea 99% sure you'll have to ditch
steering? hard issue to resolve?

who said 2jz?



good luck with this man!
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Steering isn't all that bad. If you take apart a steering system then you have a lot of metal shafts. The steering system sits next to the firewall but it doesn't mean it has to stay there. When I help on drag cars we sometimes opt for a Mustang II steering system and relocate everything.

[SlowCelica94]

I think he is trying to be funny or something, but it turned out lame as his usual posts do turn out.
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This is true.

[shid]

Linking to a supra "FAQ" about why RWD is better than AWD isn't exactly an unbiased opinion.

[darksecret]

Linking to a supra "FAQ" about why RWD is better than AWD isn't exactly an unbiased opinion.
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Doesn't matter if it came from Car and Driver, it's just plain common sence.
AWD is good, but it's heavy and it does have higher cost due to more parts.
I would love to have an AWD car but as they said in the forum it's performance is exaggerated by video games.

[shid]

its not just plain "common sense". the AWD and RWD platforms have plusses and minuses which I am not qualified to discuss- I am qualified enough to know that a bunch of supra owners are a little biased and defensive about their cars (drag queens called by some) so a faq from a supra site IS NOT unbiased, it can NOT be a primary resource for AWD vs RWD- thats common sense

[darksecret]

its not just plain "common sense". the AWD and RWD platforms have plusses and minuses which I am not qualified to discuss- I am qualified enough to know that a bunch of supra owners are a little biased and defensive about their cars (drag queens called by some) so a faq from a supra site IS NOT unbiased, it can NOT be a primary resource for AWD vs RWD- thats common sense
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If you read the forum from i-supra then you would see that they aren't bashing AWD, they are describing the negatives to having AWD, believe me if AWD was so bad then why would they have put a Skyline drivetrain and RB26 a Supra. I chose the RWD set-up for the Celica because that is what the FWD models should have been and most of the people at this forum can agree. I don't like FWD but I love this car enough to live with it for now. I was raised around RWD sports cars and the Celica even has a RWD feel, until you dump the clutch. I like the traction of the AWD but when I can take a GMC Sierra and run with a WRX that little bit off the line doesn't mean much when your car struggles through 3rd, point is as far as traction goes AWD has it, but it's cheaper to buy a set of DOT slicks for a RWD Celica than to spend the money on a limited drivetrain. To prove my point ask the DSM guys which drivetrain can handle more power for less money and the GS-T will out do a GSX anyday.

Edit: This is my final post on AWD vs. RWD since this is a tech thread about a RWD conversion.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Mar 17, 2005 - 6:18 PM

[playr158]

word ok so steering can be relocated thats cool
what are your plans for the drive shaft since it has to be custom?

[FallenHero]

custom drive shaft can be had rather easily... A minitrucker friend of mine told me one for his was under $200 (I think..)

Any moron can make the rear end work. i'd personally buy something like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...ssPageName=WDVW

that is about the right width and weld or mount that jule any way i could. That way, it's in there and you don't have to worry about it.

Rear end=no problem as long as there is enough brcing back there to hold it. I personally have never been under the car to get a good look, but I am sure it's there.

As long as you have a hatch i think the well for the drive shaft will be there. After all, I doubt the floorpan for the GT4 is that remarkable. yes, I am sure it's different, but a plasma torch and a welder can fix that up quite easily.

The engine however... mounting will be no problem. Talking the accessories into working... good luck. My advice: use the same steering rack and accessories off of the car you lift the engine from. If you don't, you will have no chance of talking the power steering into working. The ac will have to be plumed, along with Everything else. Plus you will have to figure out a way to get a bigger radiator in the nose of the beast.

Good luck mang, I'll believe it when I see it... just like Neverstop's and Igotta5sfeturbo's GT-4 conversions. Just like the supra conversion down in florida, just like all the other talk I hear.

Not bashing you, just telling the truth. Anything I can do to help, and any info I can give you, I will.

[darksecret]

word ok so steering can be relocated thats cool
what are your plans for the drive shaft since it has to be custom?
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I wont spend the extra cash to make a C/F driveshaft since they aren't worth it. I will probably just get a standard steel or aluminum cast. I got some buddies at a driveline shop in the next town that can do it.

[darksecret]

Most people think that the rear end has to be welded to the chassis, but that isn't true. The rear is set in with the suspension system, if you unbolt the rear suspension assembly you will find the rear end will just drop out. If the rear was mounted to the chassis then every bump you hit will jar the rear end and it will be the worst ride of your life. Take for example a full size truck since it has the easiest to view suspension (and normally the easiest to set up) the rear axle is mounted to the leaf springs.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Mar 18, 2005 - 10:38 AM

[AndyST4]

The easiest way to make a rear wheel drive celica is to use the whole st205 drive train and tranny. The rear end bolts up, but the floor pan needs to be modified and the gas tank needs to relocated or go to a fuel cell like you have said. And there is a way to convert the tranny to just rear wheel drive, I don't know exactly how it is done I just know that on some of the eclipse drag cars they use the gsx awd tranny and convert it to just rwd

[darksecret]

The easiest way to make a rear wheel drive celica is to use the whole st205 drive train and tranny.  The rear end bolts up, but the floor pan needs to be modified and the gas tank needs to relocated or go to a fuel cell like you have said.  And there is a way to convert the tranny to just rear wheel drive, I don't know exactly how it is done I just know that on some of the eclipse drag cars they use the gsx awd tranny and convert it to just rwd
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It could work but the 205 transmission can't handle the power the Getrag can. A fuel cell is going to be used regardless. Plus the Getrag is a RWD transmission anyway and its been mated to the 3S already so I know the system can work.

[AndyST4]

i guess it just depends on how much work you want to put into it, but couldn't you build the alltrac tranny to handle the power, and save yourself a lot more headache, because almost everything would just bolt up

[Kwanza26]

i guess it just depends on how much work you want to put into it, but couldn't you build the alltrac tranny to handle the power, and save yourself a lot more headache, because almost everything would just bolt up
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If you don't know how it's done... don't bring it up. Converting an AWD tranny to RWD is not easy and requires a completely custom differential when dealing with transaxles. Might as well build a new tranny while you're at it.

Also... don't even say "bolt up". Bolting up is EASY... getting things to work is HARD. Sh!t... a 3SGTE "bolts up"... but only a VERY small percentage of Celica owners have done the swap. The 4AGE 20V "bolts up"... but only 2 people in the United States has ever swapped the motor into a 6th gen Celica.

I say again... if you don't know what you're talking about... don't bother trying to pass advice from wherever you heard it or read it from.