the cops suck thread, why Options

[Andason]

as a criminal justice major (almost a senior) i see a lack of intellegence by bashing cops and saying OH WHY CANT THEY BE DEALING WITH MORE SERIOUS CRIMES.

you are clearly uninformed. my local law agency (la crosse pd) has 92 sworn officers. there are maybe 6-7 people on the road at a time (road officers) generally three shifts a day which adds up to around just about 20ish police officers on the road. where are these other 70 officers? hmmmm. maybe investigating bigger crimes? you got it. road officers are there to enforce road laws, etc.

in more metropolitan areas such as chicago, twin cities, etc. they arent as likely to stop you for speeding because they are tight on budget and not enough officers are employed to handle such a big city. my friend was going 70 in a 55 and got passed by a cop w/o emergency lights on.

i have a teacher that was a cop for 9 years and he is serioiusly one of the nicest/coolest guys you could ever meet. a lot of people have to put on their cop face when they are on duty. some of the stories he has though, youd think cops were the coolest people around. he told us about how hed put ky jelly on fellow officers windows and stuff. i deal with officers where i work and since they are not in that game face mode they are very nice. granted, some are complete rocks but you'll have that in ANY profession. one time a cop walked up to me and goes: so wheres my donut?!?... i just said to him.... wheres mine? haha.

just because you get pulled over for your tan skin or w/e is bs. some people are racist but minorities being pulled over is inevitable. because of their unequal place in society they tend to not have as much money. they are the ones who tend to drive the cars with broken mufflers, bad taillights, etc. this is asking to get pulled over and messed with. and once you are pulled overs cop can sense fear very easily... fear often represents guilt.

ive never had a problem with being pulled over once i stopped driving like an idiot.

i really agree with cupcrazy. there are some things i used to dislike about cops but the older i get the more i appreciate them.

This post has been edited by Andason: Apr 24, 2005 - 3:21 PM

[25thcelica]

^^ 100% with you man

[darksecret]

This was at a traffic stop where the only people being pulled over are hispanic. It wasn't the cars because a nice RX-7, my car and a Mustang GT vert were all pulled, the only bad car pulled was this lady on her way to work driving an early 90's Cutlass and it was just dirty from the pollen. I don't know why I got pulled but when every person sitting on the side of the road are hispanic or look hispanic sitting down the road from a hispanic neighborhood I put 2 and 2 together and realize they are looking to give an easy ticket. I sat there for at least a half hour and most of that time they just let people pass through without looking at their license unless they were hispanic. You can say i'm just complaining because of racism or the car I drive, but when I can go into a courtroom and tell the judge that the officer pulled me because I was somehow speeding at a stoplight in a nice bright ticket me yellow Lancer and the officer sitting beside me cannot defend himself because he has no proof other than the ticket he wrote then you tell me who's at fault. Cops make just as many mistakes as everyone else, here's an example, Randy Braswell a state trooper on motorcycle patrol spends his off time racing his Cavalier Z24 in south Charlotte, but pulls me over and tickets me for doing 63 in a 55, the kicker is he pulled me in my own driveway and my dad was right in front of me doing the same speed. The thing is the state makes money off our mistakes and it will do anything to exploit them, most people feel they do not have what it takes to fight the system so the system will milk them for what they have and then wonder why they are sitting in a welfare office or crowding unemployment offices trying to find a job they can walk too, but i've done it enough times I could be a lawyer, I have lost my license but it took those SOB's 14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me and i'll have it back next month, unfortunatly it will cost me a few hundred, but as long as they get their money they don't care. I am not afraid to admit when I did wrong, I got nailed pretty hard when I wrecked my Mustang but I was doing something stupid that as a 17 year old kid I shouldn't have been doing so I deserved it, I know when I deserve a ticket and I know when i'm being f***** around with.

[Andason]

This was at a traffic stop where the only people being pulled over are hispanic. It wasn't the cars because a nice RX-7, my car and a Mustang GT vert were all pulled, the only bad car pulled was this lady on her way to work driving an early 90's Cutlass and it was just dirty from the pollen. I don't know why I got pulled but when every person sitting on the side of the road are hispanic or look hispanic sitting down the road from a hispanic neighborhood I put 2 and 2 together and realize they are looking to give an easy ticket. I sat there for at least a half hour and most of that time they just let people pass through without looking at their license unless they were hispanic. You can say i'm just complaining because of racism or the car I drive, but when I can go into a courtroom and tell the judge that the officer pulled me because I was somehow speeding at a stoplight in a nice bright ticket me yellow Lancer and the officer sitting beside me cannot defend himself because he has no proof other than the ticket he wrote then you tell me who's at fault. Cops make just as many mistakes as everyone else, here's an example, Randy Braswell a state trooper on motorcycle patrol spends his off time racing his Cavalier Z24 in south Charlotte, but pulls me over and tickets me for doing 63 in a 55, the kicker is he pulled me in my own driveway and my dad was right in front of me doing the same speed. The thing is the state makes money off our mistakes and it will do anything to exploit them, most people feel they do not have what it takes to fight the system so the system will milk them for what they have and then wonder why they are sitting in a welfare office or crowding unemployment offices trying to find a job they can walk too, but i've done it enough times I could be a lawyer, I have lost my license but it took those SOB's 14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me and i'll have it back next month, unfortunatly it will cost me a few hundred, but as long as they get their money they don't care. I am not afraid to admit when I did wrong, I got nailed pretty hard when I wrecked my Mustang but I was doing something stupid that as a 17 year old kid I shouldn't have been doing so I deserved it, I know when I deserve a ticket and I know when i'm being f***** around with.
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thats another thing that bothers me... is this race card crap. im getting really sick of it. i find myself being "overly" nice to people of color to avoid being accused of something i am not. did you think maybe they were looking for a latino/mexican suspect? maybe they are in a heavy-hispanic area. maybe you are thinking that everyone is hispanic looking and that white people are being let away.

heres the other problem with what you are saying "14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me" i believe that if idiot drivers like you werent given tickets in your driveway you'd probably kill someone driving. should it really take 14 offenses for you to lose your license? it should take three. and if three were the standard im sure they wouldnt give your so-called "driveway" ticket. lay off the gas pedal and quit messing around... you'll eventually understand.

[darksecret]

14 in 4 with 1 wreck, I race every weekend and never in my life have I been "charged" for anything over a, 9 over. You see it's not a race thing like you're talking about, see you said white people being let away, it's not just whites it was everyone that did not have a reddish color skin. There are a lot of illegal aliens in this area, illegal aliens don't have real drivers licenses so they make for easy tickets. You need to learn that this world revolves around money whether anyone likes it or not, it cost money for this states politicians to build a new by-pass so they don't have to see the crap neighborhoods when they go to their nice mansion on Lake Norman or where ever, if you've read about North Carolina we have a lot of corruption in our capital. I know what goes on here because I run a business that these "cops" just happen to go to. You see you can think I b**** because i'm from some poor community or something, but the thing is I run my own business, I have two garages to work with, that mansion in my profile isn't mine but I am allowed there when I please (it's a business partners'), I come from both sides of the tracks and have seen the BS that goes on in the courthouse and around Charlotte. You seem to be the type that thinks police corruption is only in movies and books, here's an update, corruption is around and always will be, but the normal person can't prove it without it being on tape with 500 witnesses.

[Andason]

14 in 4 with 1 wreck, I race every weekend and never in my life have I been "charged" for anything over a, 9 over. You see it's not a race thing like you're talking about, see you said white people being let away, it's not just whites it was everyone that did not have a reddish color skin. There are a lot of illegal aliens in this area, illegal aliens don't have real drivers licenses so they make for easy tickets. You need to learn that this world revolves around money whether anyone likes it or not, it cost money for this states politicians to build a new by-pass so they don't have to see the crap neighborhoods when they go to their nice mansion on Lake Norman or where ever, if you've read about North Carolina we have a lot of corruption in our capital. I know what goes on here because I run a business that these "cops" just happen to go to. You see you can think I b**** because i'm from some poor community or something, but the thing is I run my own business, I have two garages to work with, that mansion in my profile isn't mine but I am allowed there when I please (it's a business partners'), I come from both sides of the tracks and have seen the BS that goes on in the courthouse and around Charlotte. You seem to be the type that thinks police corruption is only in movies and books, here's an update, corruption is around and always will be, but the normal person can't prove it without it being on tape with 500 witnesses.
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illegal aliens? newsflash: THEY SHOULDNT BE IN THE COUNTRY. i can clearly tell you are still young because you actually buy into this whole conspircy theory stuff. the world may revolve around money, but so does your life. you cant really say that your life isnt influence by goals, because it is. the only real people who are free of money are those who have an excess, or none.

[darksecret]

Dude, you're still a junior in college i've already served in the Corps as a combat engineer and run my own business why do you think I can post pretty much when I want (I sell computers), and I agree illegal aliens should be sent back but instead of putting them in a squad car they give them a ticket and I see that every time im in court fighting some BS ticket there are a few dozen of them sitting there for false ID tickets. Look at Time magazine about 6 months ago there was this big spread on the Tyson plant here and instead of sending the illegals they busted back they just arrested the plant manager, oh yeah that solved our problem. I would like to see you stay in Charlotte for more than a month and not get pulled, ask most people from here 9/10 times will someone have been pulled. I've kept pretty quiet about the cops suck thing, but when you come from a town with 92 cops and bash us, we have that many cops on vacation right now, I agree with you that not all cops are bad, but when you have a large police department and a state that is already known for corrupt politicians it becomes a money issue and how much of it can they pry from us through bogus speeding tickets, they went so far as to set up speed cameras every quarter mile because the more tickets the more revenue, go to Wingate sometime it's where Jesse Helms lives, the rest of the area looks like crap, but Jesse just built a 5 million dollar museum for himself in a town with a population of about 1,500, and used tax payer money to fund a private university.

[Supersprynt]

I can agree & disagree with both of you. Its always a money issue, why do you think the speed limit is so low? But also, if you break the law, do not bitch about being caught. If you actively engage in illegal racing, or just driving like an ass, dont be surprised when your pulled over. And if all your friends are hispanic, then so what? You'd be pulled over just like a bunch of white kids driving like asses. My fatger got rear-ended by someone from a different country visiting the US and driving without a license. He rear-ended my father (in a new 350z mind you) and the cop didnt even give him a ticket. The guy has no license, isnt a citizen and he drives off from an accident? That right there is BS.

Also, illegal immigrants, if they werent here, the economy would be hurting BAD. The border patrol is nothing but there for show.

[Ethnykceli]

[illegal aliens? newsflash: THEY SHOULDNT BE IN THE COUNTRY. i can clearly tell you are still young because you actually buy into this whole conspircy theory stuff. the world may revolve around money, but so does your life. you cant really say that your life isnt influence by goals, because it is. the only real people who are free of money are those who have an excess, or none.
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There is nothing wrong with illegal aliens. majority of there are hard working people who come to this country to further their life and if you were in their position you do the samething to. Immagrant workers are some of the hardest working people. i also was an illegal alien at one point of my life

This post has been edited by Ethnykceli: Apr 25, 2005 - 10:32 AM

[Supersprynt]

There is nothing wrong with illegal aliens. majority of there are hard working people who come to this country to further their life and if you were in their position you do the samething to. Immagrant workers are some of the hardest working people. i also was an illegal alien at one point of my life
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Heres essentiall the only thing wrong:

illegal

[Ethnykceli]

yes i know that, but many of the other countries dont give out visa to come to this country often, for instance in mexico mojority of the people come to the united states just to work, but dont have enough money to pay for the paper work to become legal. for my case i came with a visa but it expired i had to wait until my father got his citizenship to become a permenent resident in this country.

This post has been edited by Ethnykceli: Apr 25, 2005 - 11:33 AM

[BlackCelicaGT94]

I dont hate all cops but when they lie it makes me so mad.

i got a ticket in november for doign 10 over which I swear to god i was doing the speed - maybe one or two miles over but with my tires being bigger i probably was clocked doing 6 over. Well i go to court and the judge reads the cops statement. He said he lasered me. Which was total BS cuz when i passed the cop he had someone pulled over and was just walking back to his motorcycle. And to laser someone u must be stopped and point directly at the car.

oh well :-(

[darksecret]

I don't have a problem with illegal aliens, I did at one point but now the country is starting to adjust around them. The only problem I have now is that if this country is trying to keep them out and stay secure from let's say terrorist, i'm not saying the illegal aliens are but who knows, there are americans working for terrorist organizations. The thing is if illegal aliens were such a problem to our country why don't the police send them back instead of handing out a ticket for no lisence, the only solution I can come up with is that it doesn't matter if you're illegal or black or red or anything, to this country right now we are all green and it wants to have that green. If our government was so scared of an attack why not block the obvious problem areas, if an illegal alien can get through our border 6 times, whose to say someone with a bomb couldn't do it once. It's crap because our government doesn't care if there is another attack, if we get attacked again that's more reason to stay at war and war means money for the companies that get these contracts (i.e. our politicians). I was just trying to inform Andason that this country isn't all roses and kittens and because a cop says an oath and wears a badge doesn't mean he's automatically going to do the right thing.

[Ethnykceli]

^^^ i agree with you

[easternpiro1]

[quote=Andason,Apr 24, 2005 - 10:11 PM]

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thats another thing that bothers me... is this race card crap. im getting really sick of it. i find myself being "overly" nice to people of color to avoid being accused of something i am not. did you think maybe they were looking for a latino/mexican suspect? maybe they are in a heavy-hispanic area. maybe you are thinking that everyone is hispanic looking and that white people are being let away.

heres the other problem with what you are saying "14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me" i believe that if idiot drivers like you werent given tickets in your driveway you'd probably kill someone driving. should it really take 14 offenses for you to lose your license? it should take three. and if three were the standard im sure they wouldnt give your so-called "driveway" ticket. lay off the gas pedal and quit messing around... you'll eventually understand.
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Lemme put in my 2 cents... i can care less about an illegal alien...as long as theyre not flying airplanes into buildings or trying to blow something up...but I DO care about these bonghole cops... and it IS a race thing sometimes...trust me. ive been black all my life. what percentage of the usa is black? 12ish? u know what percentage of people that get pulled over are black? does it add up? nope. by the way...prisons are populated overwhelmingly by african americans....it dosent make sense...doing their job my natural black....a$$

[easternpiro1]

dont get me wrong.... i love cops though...(the good ones)

[darksecret]

heres the other problem with what you are saying "14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me" i believe that if idiot drivers like you werent given tickets in your driveway you'd probably kill someone driving. should it really take 14 offenses for you to lose your license? it should take three. and if three were the standard im sure they wouldnt give your so-called "driveway" ticket. lay off the gas pedal and quit messing around... you'll eventually understand.
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Now here's my response to that, of those 14 tickets I have been charged with maybe 5, most of the time the cop doesn't have any form of proof because he just guessed I was doing wrong, his guess cost me money, while he gets to take his patrol car and do every bit of 70 (35 zone) in front of my business around a blind corner and not even bother with the stop sign, not to mention that he had no sirens or lights on. Another one I get pulled over so the cop can get in front of me in traffic, the SOB turned his sirens on long enough for me to get out of the way then turned them off again, but if I didn't pull over he would have charged me with evasion. The best one was I got a ticket for wreckless driving and endangering lives, see the cop claimed I did a burnout in my Sierra but the problem was I was in a totally different area from where he claimed he seen it sitting in my truck with it off, I pulled his report for that day and it turned out the exact same time he give me the ticket he was dealing with an accident about a quarter mile down the road from where he pulled me, my guess is he was going to an accident and heard the tire squeal and seen me, this young guy in a vehicle that looked like it needed to be on a track, I told him if it had been me there wouldn't have been a squeal and there would have been enough smoke to fill the parking lot. I lost my license because of some stupid law change and they cut the points requirements almost in half, well I was at the very bottom of that half in points. I have done wrong but I have also been pulled for speeding at a stoplight, being young and not speeding (cops hate that one), accelerating up a hill, not slowing down quicker than the cop when entering a new speed zone (this one is good because the cop slowed down almost a half mile from the new zone), I did get an honest 70 in a 55 but the cop was in a blue Z28 that looked like an everyday vehicle and was revving and lighting his tires at a stoplight trying to get me to race, the list goes on and no these aren't what I was charged with but if you do enough b****ing in court they usually drop it or throw it out because they know as well as I do it's true.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 25, 2005 - 12:28 PM

[madmods]

Ha they got a bunch of guys out here(az) that call themselves the minuteman project. They are a sheet away from being the klan. Wants my 2 cents about the border problem. East germany/west germany wall after the war. They didn't have problems. Not much at least. If you want to stop illegal immigration, then stiffen the consequences. Hey you get caught, you get a meal and a free ride home. ere forking out millions a year for this. It should be if you get caught you do a year of labor in jail. I got nothing against immigrants, as my dad came from spain. But there is a legal way to do it.

[darksecret]

Ha they got a bunch of guys out here(az) that call themselves the minuteman project. They are a sheet away from being the klan. Wants my 2 cents about the border problem. East germany/west germany wall after the war. They didn't have problems. Not much at least. If you want to stop illegal immigration, then stiffen the consequences. Hey you get caught, you get a meal and a free ride home. ere forking out millions a year for this. It should be if you get caught you do a year of labor in jail. I got nothing against immigrants, as my dad came from spain. But there is a legal way to do it.
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I fully agree, we were built on immigrants, but they do need to be a little more stringent of our borders, not really to keep people from trying to work here but to keep security up. Watch Moore's film and look at the northern border about the one patrolman that has to watch that whole area. Everyone is so worried about another plane or a missile attack. As I said before I was a Marine and it's obvious our border is wide open, first rule before setting camp is set a perimeter and guard the camp, it's more complex to do that to borders but think of it this way put up a wall instead of spending millions on plane tickets to send them back. You can ask easternpiro1 this area has a lot of illegals but how many do you see actually being sent back, they're a renewable income for the country because they're money can be taken and they're illegal so they don't have legal rights.

[Supersprynt]

The gov't doesnt wanna get rid of illegal aliens...thats why its only millions, thats really nothing. I know people who are friends of guys on border patrol in the southeast, they blatanly say they are for show. Sure they catch and take a few guys back, but thats just to keep up appearances.