UPDATED PRICES: Phoenix Tuning Stage I Turbo Kit, For '94-'99 Celicas Options

[Dr_Tweak]

Price change: Stage I kit is now $2400 and the Stage II (which replaces the FMU with Greddy eManage) will be $2700. It looks right now that all '96 and newer (OBDII) Celicas may need the Stage II for ignition timing control. We will see.

Hey all,

This is a copy of my post over on vvt-i.net. I'm putting a turbo kit together in the upcoming months for the '93-'97 Corolla. Since the kit includes the 7AFE, I will be extending the kit to the Celica community. Eventually I will also offer a kit for the 5th generation Celica.

The only obstacle I will have to overcome after putting the kits together is getting the intercooler piping squared away, which is just a matter of having a 6th gen Celica at my shop to prototype on.

I'm posting here to check for interest and suggestions. Here's the post:

The Phoenix Tuning Stage I Turbo Kit will include the following:

Garrett T3 Turbo Super 60 compressor, .48 turbine
12:1 FMU (Vortech most likely)
TurboXS Boost Controller
Phoenix Tuning Turbo Manifold (you must send me your old manifold as a core)
Spearco intercooler
TurboXS BOV
Intercooler piping (that will actually fit)
Water and oil lines
Downpipe
Walbro 255lph fuel pump
Oil pan with turbo oil return connection (you must send me your old oil pan as a core)
Boost guage

I'm pretty sure that's it. It should be a pretty complete kit, if there's anything that you see missing then holler.

Several upgrade items will be available, such as guages and whatnot.

The price of the kit will be $2400 shipped. The kit will be good for 7-8 psi and will be a bolt-on kit, meaning you should be able to install it in a day with hand tools. I will provide full instructions. This is a tried and true setup that two friends of mine have been running for many many miles with good success. It makes around 160/170 hp. Premium fuel will be required.

I'm picking up a Corolla to build the prototype on, and then I'll start producing these. It will be a little bit but I'm hoping to have the first kits ready to go for early fall.

If anyone wants to make a deposit for dibs on the first kits, that will help me get them developed faster and out the door.

This post has been edited by raven_101: Apr 26, 2005 - 3:52 AM

[javi714]

is this kit going to fit the 1.8 engines

[Sev408]

^^^ yes thats the 7afe 1.8l


i think the price is a bit high:

to help that i would get a cheaper inercooler than a spearco, like a johnnyracecar.com, then i would leave the oil pan as a option, and mabye also give an option of a Safc2.

[playr158]

price is too much and as of your posting in the other thread i don't think your ready to be offering a bolt-on turbo kit....
esp if you have "if there's anything that you see missing then holler"
that and a super 60 trim on a 7afe motor?

but defenite over price esp. if i'd have to send you my old parts?
this is the same as a normal kit (TSI)

i see no benefit to this?

[StreetRacing10PS...]

wouldnt it be stage 2?? stage 1 i thougth was just turbo to intake, no intercooler or any thing upgraded like that.
EDIT: and for 2,700 you might as well buy a kit from TSI or go custom, its cheaper.
also i thoguth the T3 was 50trim.

This post has been edited by StreetRacing10PSI: Apr 24, 2005 - 10:02 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

First of all, I have a good reputation that I want to keep, and I don't want to put out a crappy kit. I am in disbelief that people are comparing this kit to the TSi kit, have any of you actually tried putting that on? NOTHING fits. Also, I'm working on a setup right now that will help me to produce equal length manifolds instead of a log type for even the stage I kit.

However, I will do my very best to keep the costs down for everyone, and the price listed is NOT FINAL. I still have some more tweaking to do on it and I'm working on a relationship right now with a large turbo part supplier so that I can buy in bulk for cheaper, and pass these savings on to my friends in the Corolla and Celica communities.

As far as the stage I stage II debate, in my opinion no turbo kit should ever be short an intercooler. That's just a bad situation. So the very entry level kit that I'm offering is going to have an intercooler and intercooler piping that FITS, not that joke of a kit that TSi offers.

The Stage II will have Greddy eManage or SAFC, I haven't decided which. It will have a pre-programmed file included that will have been tuned with a wideband 02.

playr158, the "If you see anything missing then holler" comment is pointed to accessories that people might want added, such as a boost guage or EGT guage. All the required turbo parts are in the kit. Also, if you don't think that a Super 60 is the correct sized turbo for the 7AFE, then I'd be happy to take you through the math and show you the turbo map. That turbo is the perfect size to give great midrange and top-end performance. Also you don't HAVE to send your old parts back, but there will be a core charge. This is to keep the price of the kit down.

Again, do not compare this kit to a TSI kit. This is a well built, quality turbo kit that has actually been test fit on YOUR car. This isn't just a collection of eBay parts thrown into a box for you to figure out.

Please don't think I'm trying to make a bunch of money off of other people, I'm offering a kit to the Corolla community that I've been a part of for many years (I'm a moderator on VVT-I), and I thought it made sense to offer it to our Celica brothers.

I appreciate constructive feedback because it helps me to design better parts for you. However, comments like "i don't think your ready to be offering a bolt-on turbo kit..." are not needed. If you aren't interested in getting more aftermarket parts for you car, then keep your mouth shut and don't ruin it for everyone else.

And to clarify, this kit is for the Celica ST and will work on both auto and manual versions.

[97sccelica]

how much boost will this kit run?

also, this base tuning, what kind of AFR's are you going for? what kind of timing?

just a suggestion, i would make it all on the safe side. no two cars are the same, especially when you go from NA to turbo

This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Apr 24, 2005 - 10:54 PM

[Akimbo]

7-8 PSI.

What can you do for GT's?

[Dr_Tweak]

The stage II kit which I descibed some above will be able to boost a little higher, 8-10 psi, due to better tuning.

Are there no kits for the GTs? In that case I will add it to my list. I have to get these going first though.

97sccelica, the stage I is running of a 12:1 FMU, and at 7-8 psi it runs right around 11.5:1 to 12.5:1 a/f. On the safe side, like you said. It begins to lean out if you boost over 8 psi though, so you have to restrain yourself

The stage II kit will be right on 12:1 a/f all the way up to 10 psi, and I'll be checking for EGT and detonation problems as I go to make sure it's safe.

-Doc

[97sccelica]

The stage II kit which I descibed some above will be able to boost a little higher, 8-10 psi, due to better tuning.

Are there no kits for the GTs? In that case I will add it to my list. I have to get these going first though.

97sccelica, the stage I is running of a 12:1 FMU, and at 7-8 psi it runs right around 11.5:1 to 12.5:1 a/f. On the safe side, like you said. It begins to lean out if you boost over 8 psi though, so you have to restrain yourself

The stage II kit will be right on 12:1 a/f all the way up to 10 psi, and I'll be checking for EGT and detonation problems as I go to make sure it's safe.

-Doc
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12.5:1? i have a 8:1 CR and water injection and i dont even run that lean of an AFR(i run 11.9-12.0:1 afr's)

then again i run on crappy CA gas, but idk, still seems a little lean to me.

on a plus note, i like that you are including a walbro pump

i just might still have been driving my ST-T today had i upgraded the fuel pump from the get go

[Dr_Tweak]

No, 12.5:1 will be just fine on 91 octane. Of course I'll doublecheck this before shipping with my LM-1, but several people who've been running this setup have not had problems, and they push it as high as 12 psi! (It DOES lean out at that point though so DO NOT do that if you don't want to blow your engine, especially if you're only running 91 octane.) Around here we have 93 octane so we're spoiled

It depends on the boost, I notice that it tends to lean out as you go higher. If you run 7 psi you'll probably never go over 12:1 though.

[97sccelica]

No, 12.5:1 will be just fine on 91 octane. Of course I'll doublecheck this before shipping with my LM-1, but several people who've been running this setup have not had problems, and they push it as high as 12 psi! (It DOES lean out at that point though so DO NOT do that if you don't want to blow your engine, especially if you're only running 91 octane.) Around here we have 93 octane so we're spoiled

It depends on the boost, I notice that it tends to lean out as you go higher. If you run 7 psi you'll probably never go over 12:1 though.
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k, im just giving constructive critisism, like you asked for.

really, you should include disclaimers with the instructions. wouldnt want someone to sue you when their engine blows up if they run too much boost, of they installed something incorrectly.

im ok with having 91 octane, thanks to water injection. i am sure i can lean my car out even more and run even more timing, but i chickened out.

my car spikes boost sometimes up to 1.5bar(21ish psi, i run 17psi), and when that does happen, i dont get any knock, prior to the water injection, it was a big problem for me.

[Dr_Tweak]

really, you should include disclaimers with the instructions.  wouldnt want someone to sue you when their engine blows up if they run too much boost, of they installed something incorrectly.

Oh don't worry, there will be! Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming.

[97sccelica]

really, you should include disclaimers with the instructions.  wouldnt want someone to sue you when their engine blows up if they run too much boost, of they installed something incorrectly.

Oh don't worry, there will be! Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming.
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if i think of anything else, i'll let you know

[celica47]

i know playr is in the process of doing this and nik is like one of the first ones to do this, i know both of them are talking about upgrading there internals, would you reccomend upgrading your internals before buying your kit or all depends on how much your boosting at.

[Dr_Tweak]

i know playr is in the process of doing this and nik is like one of the first ones to do this, i know both of them are talking about upgrading there internals, would you reccomend upgrading your internals before buying your kit or all depends on how much your boosting at.
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All depends how much you're boosting. At this level, you don't need to worry about it yet.

[javi714]

about how much power are this kits going to be putting, stage 1 and 2

[Akimbo]

There are kits for the GT i was just seeing if you would put one out.

[nik]

now what are you going to do about the obd1 anb obd2 94-95 have obd1 so what about the timing on those

and for the 96-97 with obd 2 are you just depending on the computer to make the change


i might have missed it but what about the ecu how are you going to hide the boost?

i still think people should build there own kits like myself its a learning process that helps out in the end

and you can build a kit like mine for 1500-2000

[dustin15brown]

How long did it take you though Nick?