Turbo, Turboooo Options

[Celica_Kid95st]

Whats up guys. Ok my friend is selling a turbo for like $100. I have a '95 ST, and not alot of money, but this kid i no said that u can still put it on without an intercooler and pipes and **** for now at least but not to wait like years u no. I'm wondering if hes right and i can just buy the turbo and weld it on. Is that right? If so what other things would i have to get right now, but i want the littest that i can cause i dont have like any money, like if i dont need it now then skip it. Aight thanks for the help. peace. -john

[StreetRacing10PS...]

all u would need is the exhaust manifold, turbo, piping from turbo to intake manifold, piping for intake some vacume lines a fuel pressure regulator....think thats about it.$100 seems pretty cheap tho.

[OrbitalGT95]

Whats up guys. Ok my friend is selling a turbo for like $100. I have a '95 ST, and not alot of money, but this kid i no said that u can still put it on without an intercooler and pipes and **** for now at least but not to wait like years u no. I'm wondering if hes right and i can just buy the turbo and weld it on. Is that right? If so what other things would i have to get right now, but i want the littest that i can cause i dont have like any money, like if i dont need it now then skip it. Aight thanks for the help. peace. -john
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johnny my friend u have no idea what ur getting yourself into, lol

[97sccelica]

with the way a turbo fits in the celica engine bay, its easier and needs less piping to just install a FMIC from the get go.

get a $200 ebay intercooler, then a $150 greddy universal piping kit.

manifold is gonna be around $300 assembled, if i remember correctly

then you need oil lines

um, atleast an FMU and DEFINATELY A FUEL PUMP

and a down pipe

[Consynx]

does the turbo have a wastegate?

[ummmx2]

dont forget injectors and bov

[OrbitalGT95]

see what i mean john, lol...my wallet is afraid of turbo's

[nik]

i can give you a list of everything you need plus look at my how to it will show you step by step amostly how to turbo your st

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

You don't need a new fuel pump, or new injectors. All you need is the equipment to put it on there. So yes, it would be similar to just welding it on. I'd recommend definitely an intercooler. Exhaust manifold and down pipe are going to be necessary. You might get the down pipe custom. The exhaust manifold will be easy to find though. You'll need a waste gate for controlling boost levels too. If you end up running into problems, then add things like fuel pump and injectors. If you run low boost, you should be fine.

Hey guys, please stop trying to scare off new people from doing these things. The best way to learn is to just do it. Not to say that telling these guys how to do it is bad, but telling them that it's a nightmare and they have no idea what they're getting into is. Just tell them how it is, don't make assumptions about they're mechanical abilities.

EDIT: This post really isn't to bad about blowing things out of proportion. I must have been thinking of other posts in combination when I wrote this. Things blend together sometimes when I read.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Apr 15, 2005 - 10:39 AM

[thedevilmaycrie]

big- you do need a new fuel pump... just like running the celica gt fuel pump on the 3sgte it will work for a lil while but it will blow a piston up by running lean inthe high end...

-DMC

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I just had a buddy of mine who put a supercharger on a 3.8 chevy, and he keep it all the same. After I started writing this, I remembered the car was supercharged, and he just put the s/c on a new 3.8. He probably used the s/c fuel pump. My bad. But I don't see how running low boost would be any different from running a ram(forced) air intake. That's what I have, do I need a new fuel pump?

On a side note, I really wish they wouldn't call those short intakes "ram air intakes," it's extreemly misleading. And when someone has an actual ram air intake, they have to say forced air, but clarify that it's not a turbo or supercharger.

[ummmx2]

air intakes are MUCH different than forced induction. because of the fact that intakes dont actually force ne thing into the motor, rather it just helps it to breathe. btw, just "doing it" with minimum parts is a recipe for a blown motor. look at niks list and the 7afte bible. you will need to upgrade your fuel system at least or else you will run lean and damage something.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

air intakes are MUCH different than forced induction. because of the fact that intakes dont actually force ne thing into the motor, rather it just helps it to breathe. btw, just "doing it" with minimum parts is a recipe for a blown motor. look at niks list and the 7afte bible. you will need to upgrade your fuel system at least or else you will run lean and damage something.
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See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's hard for people to understand what I'm saying.

[thedevilmaycrie]

I just had a buddy of mine who put a supercharger on a 3.8 chevy, and he keep it all the same.  After I started writing this, I remembered the car was supercharged, and he just put the s/c on a new 3.8.  He probably used the s/c fuel pump.  My bad.  But I don't see how running low boost would be any different from running a ram(forced) air intake.  That's what I have, do I need a new fuel pump?

On a side note, I really wish they wouldn't call those short intakes "ram air intakes," it's extreemly misleading.  And when someone has an actual ram air intake, they have to say forced air, but clarify that it's not a turbo or supercharger.
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a "ram" intake still will not "force" air into the engine like a turbo will it pretty much puts the car from a vacuum state to a nuetral state... not give boost thoug... well MAYBE one or 2 psi...

-DMC

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

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a "ram" intake still will not "force" air into the engine like a turbo will it pretty much puts the car from a vacuum state to a nuetral state... not give boost thoug... well MAYBE one or 2 psi...

-DMC
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So even though I have a scoop in my front bumper that appears to force air in, it's not? What if it was a BIG scoop? I do get what you’re saying though. Without the turbo or s/c there, there's nothing to really force the air in, and it only makes it equal instead of forcing air in. That's pretty much what you said, I think. I've always been kind of worried about using it on the interstate, I thought it'd force to much air in and blow it up. My dad told me that you can't force to much air in, but my uncle said you could. My uncle is usually smarter when it comes to the mechanics of cars. The scoop I have now is the size of the 94-95 hole in the bumper on the side. There was kind of a scoop thing there in the first place, on the right looking at the car. But I sealed it and ran tubing from it to my throttle body. There's a filter in there sometimes . I always thought that around 30mph I would have the same boost as a lot of turbos. What's the verdict on my situation here?

EDIT: Sorry about the failed attempts are editing this thing right. And I really think this belongs in a new post, sorry about cluttering up your "turbo" post there buddy.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Apr 15, 2005 - 1:07 PM

[Doge]

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a "ram" intake still will not "force" air into the engine like a turbo will it pretty much puts the car from a vacuum state to a nuetral state... not give boost thoug... well MAYBE one or 2 psi...

-DMC
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So even though I have a scoop in my front bumper that appears to force air in, it's not? What if it was a BIG scoop? I do get what you’re saying though. Without the turbo or s/c there, there's nothing to really force the air in, and it only makes it equal instead of forcing air in. That's pretty much what you said, I think. I've always been kind of worried about using it on the interstate, I thought it'd force to much air in and blow it up. My dad told me that you can't force to much air in, but my uncle said you could. My uncle is usually smarter when it comes to the mechanics of cars. The scoop I have now is the size of the 94-95 hole in the bumper on the side. There was kind of a scoop thing there in the first place, on the right looking at the car. But I sealed it and ran tubing from it to my throttle body. There's a filter in there sometimes . I always thought that around 30mph I would have the same boost as a lot of turbos. What's the verdict on my situation here?

EDIT: Sorry about the failed attempts are editing this thing right. And I really think this belongs in a new post, sorry about cluttering up your "turbo" post there buddy.
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Snapback, there is absolutely no way that you are getting any sort of forced air into your engine. You have nowhere near equallity to a turbo... my guess is that you havn't really experience a car with a turbo in it. If you have forgive me... but if you havnt find someone with one and let them take you for a ride! All that scoop does is get cold air from outside instead of warm air from the engine bay. The only way you can get "too much air" is by using forced induction.

[thedevilmaycrie]

doge- the scoop may not equal or come close to a turbo but it will equalize the vac/boost...

big- even if the scoop was your front end it wouldnt eqaul boost... if you wanna see for yourself take a boost/vac gauge in your car ans see what it does and if it will even equal out the boost/vac...

-DMC

[nik]

i'll put it into simple terms your motor will only let so much air in no matter how big a scoop you have thats why turbo cars are called force induction your forcing air into the motor to make power.

any questions?

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

doge- the scoop may not equal or come close to a turbo but it will equalize the vac/boost...

big- even if the scoop was your front end it wouldnt eqaul boost... if you wanna see for yourself take a boost/vac gauge in your car ans see what it does and if it will even equal out the boost/vac...

-DMC
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I thought I might equal the boost of a small turbo or supercharger. You know, like 1-3 pounds of boost. I just might try that boost/vac gauge for the heck of it. The hole thing just doesn't sound completely clear and rgiht to me. I feel like there's more to this story somewere. I'm not saying in any way that I don't believe you. I just want to know exactly how much boost/vac I'm running with this thing.

[thedevilmaycrie]

big- by all means please try it and let us know the results...

-DMC