6th Gen Swap Options

[ty708]

Hey everyone,


I need to replace my 7afe and was going to order a 20v silvertop and was wanting to make sure this was a good choice. Also i was wondering what all was required to use the tranny that comes with the motor. All info is appreciated.

tyler

[Mr2swift]

Hello Tyler, I would highly suggest that you consider going with the 4agze engine vs the 20valve. You will have much more useable torque and modifying will yeild great gains. Problem with the 20 valve is the power is way up in the rev range and lacks torque. Remember, it is torque that gives you that push back feeling and is easily attained through forced induction. Good thing Toyota gave us plenty of forced induced options unlike Honduh! The late model Ae101 or Ae92 versions both carry the map based 160hp small port version. Extremely powerful engine and axles that are equivalent to Mr2 turbo axles. If those axles do not work, the Mr2 axles are plug and play for that transmission and we both know the Mr2 axles will fit the Celica.


Ron (909) 283-3778
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[fastgt]

hey ty talk to coomer , the site owner, he has the 4a-ge and he says nothing but great things about it....you should start there before making a decision

[FAQdaWorld]

[Kwanza26]

[FallenHero]

the compression of the 20V will make it a pain to keep running properly. You will get tired of buying octane booster. If you really want a swap, go to www.XATRACING.com and get a phone number. They are in Tampa i think. they will swap over a 3SGTE (which is FAR superior to the 4a's) for about the same price.

Jon

[celicaracer18]

[Mr2swift]

Please excuse any confusion that I might have caused as I am not yet seasoned with the Celica. I do know that when most swap the 3sgte into their Celica, they can use the Mr2 axles, and if I am not mistaken they also use either the stock axles as well or the one off of the Gt4. It is a mixture of 2 to get the results you need. If I had to guess I would think it is the inner axle that fits the transmission from and mr2 and then bolt your stock outer axle. I am certain there are some swap gurus that have been their and done that on this forum so please chime in at anytime. I think you can not use the Mr2 axles by themselves because of the length. This will be the same with the 4agze swap. My rule of thumb with advising on what engine one should go with when they have options is to consider what they are going to be using the car for. In all honesty, a 20 valve will feel like a modified 7afe and therefor really is not worth the swap unless you plan on putting a turbo on it which can really yeild great gains. But believe you me when I say that the 4agze is no slouch and can yeild great gains. For simplicity, the 3sgte from the St205 is going to be the best bet for ease of install and power output.



Ron (909) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

[Xpander]

You do not need to get different axles. Stock 7AFE axles will work fine (M/T or Auto...all the same). Unless you're going to make mad power, don't even worry about it.

Colin

[Mr2swift]

So are you saying that you can use 7a axles on a Mr2 Lsd transmission? Has this been done? The inner axles shafts for the Mr2 Lsd transmission are different from non Lsd. Have not seen the 7a axles, but if this has been done then that does make things easier.


Ron (909) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

[FallenHero]

either way, 7a axles weren't made for 200hp and Probably wouldn't last very long.

It's best to do it right the first time.

[Xpander]

I was reffering to a 4AGE 20v swap, not any kind of MR2 tranny setup. Sorry for the confusion.

Colin

[Kwanza26]

[playr158]

nice^^^^^ i think i'm goin the N/A way but thats just cause i'm coming close to having to rebuild my 7afe but i think the 7 is a great engine if you do it right, no it doesn't make that much power but to resate kwanza its not all about goin in a straight line he(ty) said he wanted to make the best of his celica's handling cause that is what he likes most about it.....imo i'd just do a lil more work to the 7 ( p&p, cam shaft regrind, 4age pistons, bore the cylinders, new clutch, you can go crazy and grinddown the crank like edo, new flywheel) ect the 7 is reliabe and decent but you just have to work on the internals thats all

[spunky393]

Second Kwanza, hahahaha

[Coomer]

The 20V AE101 4A-GE is quite the fun engine like Kwanza mentioned. There's not a lot that can compare to the fun of taking my car through this one twisty canyon road at high speed(50-55 MPH in a 50 MPH zone where the recommended speed is 25 MPH.)

To be honest, it's slow off the line. Until I hit about 3,500-4,000 RPM in first gear, the car does feel pretty slow. But once I'm moving, the car feels awesome! And I'd rather not take my car to the track anyway. Street racing or racing at the track isn't much fun to me, and it's pretty tough on the car. I'd much rather drive alone down a twisty road, and for that, the 20V is an excellent motor.

[Mr2swift]

From the many swaps that I have done and sold, most people are looking for a fast car bottom line. I have had many customers go from 20 valve to 4agze. Most people feeling that the 20 valve was like a modified 4age. No torque is the setback and most that do an engine swap really want to notice the difference and not second guess if they should have went for a torque monster. However, if it is a track car you are into, then I would surely say the 20 valve is the way to go. The bottom line is what do you want from your car. If you want torque, that push you back in the seat feeling then forced induced is definately the way to go. Finally, most of the people that do swaps, love to modify their setup and the 20 valve is pretty much maxed out and therefor mods are not going to net huge gains. Not to mention cams are quite expensive for the 20 valve. Personal preference I think, but most will choose forced induction because modifying an n/a (unless you are a track guy) will not give you the gains you are expecting. Trust me, turning up the boost feels alot different then adding cams or what ever else you do to a N/a.



Ron (909) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

[ty708]

thx everybody for your help. This might sound dumb but im in the process of building up a 240sx right now and once i get the car done im giving it to my mother because she loves the celica. I couldve rebuilt the 7afe but that wouldnt have been as fun so im doing a swap. If you have any love for the 240's yall oughta check out www.underground-motorsports.com its my brothers shop and were well known for 240sx motor swap and conversions but im just not that familiar with the celicas. I went ahead and ordered the 20v and if anyone could let me in on the wiring or mounts that will be required it would be appreciated. thx for yalls help


Tyler

[Xpander]

Hey Tyler,

Where exactly is Destin, FL ? I might be fairly close to you, I live in Central FL....aka where all the freakin' hurricanes have passed through. We could probably meet up some time. There is a Celica meet happening in Tampa on Oct. 16 if you are interested. Let me know.

Colin

[ty708]

Hey man lets see destin is located in the panhandle its in between pensacola and panama city. As of now im located in Searcy, AR attending college at Harding University. But ill be bringing it back down to my mom over thxgiving so maybe over the summer ill be able to meet up with you, by then i should have my 240 up and running 99%(no such thing as 100% in the car world).