raced a 7th gen gt-s, damn there fast! Options

[rockstarbass1]

ok so i have a 94 6th gen manual st. and my friends just got a 00 7th gen gt-s (auto) i know there faster but it being a auto and me haveing a short ram , and well kinda an exhaust i though it would be pretty fair. well we raced and i had him at the starts but when his hit 2nd GOD DAMN!! he was cooking, then i hit 3rd i was catching up and by the time i was in 4th i had gotten even with him, we cut out every time by 75 or 80. and he had me almost every time for most of the race. but i did have him a few times. any one here ever race one??

[darksecret]

Yeah they have pretty decent mid range. I haven't been able to beat one, but they don't walk all over me either, they usually get me in third.

[red94celicagt]

well take a look at the stats:

'00-'04 1.8L GT-S (stock)
180 HP
125 Ft-Lb Torque

'94-'99 2.2L GT (stock)
138 HP
145 Ft-Lb Torque

Not sure what stats are on the '94-'99 but as you can see, even a GT would have some trouble handling a GT-S. Two most important thigns to racing is weight and torque, (HP sells cars, but torque wins races) and the GT has more torque, which is why you had him in first, but his higher HP gives him better midrange and high-end power, which is why he had you in second and third. Both cars weigh about the same (the '00 celicas look huge, but still only weigh 2,600 can anyone explain that to me but yea, it is a close race. Personally I have yet to race one, I don't see too many around my area, but if I do I will post back the results

[Supersprynt]

Why does torque win races if by the time your at the end of the track your at max hp and low torque?

[darksecret]

well take a look at the stats:

'00-'04 1.8L GT-S  (stock)
  180 HP
  125 Ft-Lb Torque

'94-'99 2.2L GT  (stock)
  138 HP
  145 Ft-Lb Torque

Not sure what stats are on the '94-'99 but as you can see, even a GT would have some trouble handling a GT-S. Two most important thigns to racing is weight and torque, (HP sells cars, but torque wins races) and the GT has more torque, which is why you had him in first, but his higher HP gives him better midrange and high-end power, which is why he had you in second and third. Both cars weigh about the same (the '00 celicas look huge, but still only weigh 2,600 can anyone explain that to me   but yea, it is a close race. Personally I have yet to race one, I don't see too many around my area, but if I do I will post back the results
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If only that was true, see if it was turbo diesel trucks would be destroying everybody. Torque is a good thing, if you don't have enough then it makes it hard for your car to get going, but horsepower keeps it going faster, horsepower kicks in when the initial need for starting torque really isn't required anymore, Hot Rod magazine did a big breakdown during their Cobra vs. WRX STi comparo issue. You could have all the torque in the world but without decent horsepower numbers your car would only be good for pulling tree stumps. Look at it like this the S2000 has a lot of horsepower but lacks below the belt, so the optimal driving range is around 7,000 rpm for highway cruising due to a lack of torque(this is from Hot Rod, C&D, and R&T), now you have an old Z28, the optimal range is around 1,800 rpm for highway cruising due to torque, but if you took the Z28 and tried to go past say 6,000 rpm with it you'll get no where since it's not designed to operate in those ranges. Bottom line torque is best for everyday driving and road corses since you take advantage of the lower rpm levels, but if you want something for a drag strip go for horsepower since you wont have to worry about keeping your foot in it just to keep from being run over by the mini van behind you.

[97sccelica]

i read this in some muscle car magazine

"if you think torque is everything, next time you are at the track(1/4 mile) when you run, shift right at peak torque, and see what kind of times that gets you compaired to shifting at peak HP"

[pokemeintheeye]

Are you serious? Your st auto kept up with a gts auto? The gts's are slow, but I didn't know they were that slow.

I'd probably have to see it to believe it though.

[BLINKYxMUNKEY]

Are you serious?  Your st auto kept up with a gts auto?  The gts's are slow, but I didn't know they were that slow. 

I'd probably have to see it to believe it though.
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His ST is a standard, not auto.

[pokemeintheeye]

Are you serious?  Your st auto kept up with a gts auto?  The gts's are slow, but I didn't know they were that slow. 

I'd probably have to see it to believe it though.
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His ST is a standard, not auto.
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Can't believe I missed that. Even so though. I just can see how a gts could be that slow.

[zachattack15]

My friend has an 01 GTS and I have a 94 manual GT and I keep up with him pretty well, around 90-100 mph when he hits lift in 4th he takes me, I have beat him a few times though. The manual 7th gen GTS's are alot quicker in my opinion because they can hit lift through every gear.

[ummmx2]

yea the manual gt-s would kill ne other stock older gen, besides maybe the alltrac

[rockstarbass1]

yea i have manual, he was auto. and like i said i would ahve him off the starts, but he would have me in his 2nd and 3rd (also with me but by the time i hit 4th i would have caught up. but by that poinbt we were goin about 80+ so we started to slow down. but my st red lines i believe a little over 6k rpm's and his is at 7800 so yea lol

[red94celicagt]

well take a look at the stats:

'00-'04 1.8L GT-S  (stock)
  180 HP
  125 Ft-Lb Torque

'94-'99 2.2L GT  (stock)
  138 HP
  145 Ft-Lb Torque

Not sure what stats are on the '94-'99 but as you can see, even a GT would have some trouble handling a GT-S. Two most important thigns to racing is weight and torque, (HP sells cars, but torque wins races) and the GT has more torque, which is why you had him in first, but his higher HP gives him better midrange and high-end power, which is why he had you in second and third. Both cars weigh about the same (the '00 celicas look huge, but still only weigh 2,600 can anyone explain that to me   but yea, it is a close race. Personally I have yet to race one, I don't see too many around my area, but if I do I will post back the results
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If only that was true, see if it was turbo diesel trucks would be destroying everybody. Torque is a good thing, if you don't have enough then it makes it hard for your car to get going, but horsepower keeps it going faster, horsepower kicks in when the initial need for starting torque really isn't required anymore, Hot Rod magazine did a big breakdown during their Cobra vs. WRX STi comparo issue. You could have all the torque in the world but without decent horsepower numbers your car would only be good for pulling tree stumps. Look at it like this the S2000 has a lot of horsepower but lacks below the belt, so the optimal driving range is around 7,000 rpm for highway cruising due to a lack of torque(this is from Hot Rod, C&D, and R&T), now you have an old Z28, the optimal range is around 1,800 rpm for highway cruising due to torque, but if you took the Z28 and tried to go past say 6,000 rpm with it you'll get no where since it's not designed to operate in those ranges. Bottom line torque is best for everyday driving and road corses since you take advantage of the lower rpm levels, but if you want something for a drag strip go for horsepower since you wont have to worry about keeping your foot in it just to keep from being run over by the mini van behind you.
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re-read my post, i said the fact that he had him in first and part of second gear was because of his higher torque...i know torque is for low end power...and HP helps high end (which is what you operate at especially in third and fourth gear) but the reason he had him off the line is first off: manual tranny will beat auto off the line and TWO: more torque

[rockstarbass1]

but he does have more hp, so why by the time i was red linein comming out of 3rd going into 4th i caught up to him?? i mean i have a short ram intake, and some kinda cat back but almost the same as stock i believe

[Mr_E]

any one here ever race one??
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Yes. Well, if you can call it a race.

[FallenHero]

any one here ever race one??
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Yes. Well, if you can call it a race.
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lol...

Yea, the auto GTS' are slow in comparison to the manual version. The auto tranny is a slushbox, and the ECU makes lift have little effect until Well into the upper RPM's (on auto version).

[pokemeintheeye]

I think some people on here are mistaking rockstarbass1's ST for a GT. I'm sure the 6th gen GT manual could keep up with the 7th gen GTS auto without a problem. But a 6th gen ST manual? If a 7th gen GTS auto is really that slow, then I'd hate to imagine how slow a base model 7th gen GT is, whether it be manual or auto.

[Consynx]

i can't remember how the 7th gen's wenth, but it was either 01 or 02 that they changed the fuel cut, which meant the car went out of lift between shifts.
they fixed it the following year back to original state.

the 7th gen GT-S is faster than a GT 6th gen, granted the driver can stay in lift.

btw, you caught up in 3rd because he is auto, and his 3rd and 4th are HORRIBLE for acceleration, his 1st and 2st shouldn't be far off from a standard though

[rockstarbass1]

yea it seamed like 1st and 2nd were his only chance to win.

[Mike]

your title is wrong
7th gens are SLOW
our cars are just SLOWER