Body kit epoxy?, Fusion?? Options

[Rjb23]

I saw a post on here where someone used an epoxy to attach their body kit to the car. Anyone know where to get this stuff from? I think it was called fuzion or something like that.

[Drocay]

it was posted by flipside97 ( i think thats his name) he's got the lambo orange paint.

[vangSTa_celica]

flipside97LTD posted this, just scroll down a bit and you'll see what he's mentioning in quotes:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...85&#entry257785

[Rjb23]

Anyone know where to get it at?

[bloodrain]

check ebay, they have everything

[playr158]

thats just for molding purposes self tapping screws will hold a kit just fine

[Rjb23]

thats just for molding purposes self tapping screws will hold a kit just fine
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Thats not much help.

I'd rather not buy it off ebay.

[playr158]

how's that not much help?

the epoxy is a fiberglass/metal glue
which just seals the seam up smooth
then you use bondo to make it runs completly smooth for the molded look
and he only used that on his rear or side skirts i belive and he still used screws on the insides
its not like you glue a kit on and go

use self tapping screws and you can screw the kit to the car and it will be fine no bondo or body work needed besides modifying the kit to fit perfectly like you have to do with every kit

or you can use rivets...

[Rjb23]

how's that not much help?

the epoxy is a fiberglass/metal glue
which just seals the seam up smooth
then you use bondo to make it runs completly smooth for the molded look
and he only used that on his rear or side skirts i belive and he still used screws on the insides
its not like you glue a kit on and go

use self tapping screws and you can screw the kit to the car and it will be fine no bondo or body work needed besides modifying the kit to fit perfectly like you have to do with every kit

or you can use rivets...
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I just put on the veilside kit about three weeks ago. Here's a basic run-down of what's involved: Put the car in a garage and take off the wheels and put it up in jack-stands. It'll be there for a while! Now take off the front and rear bumper. You now need to fit the kit to the car. As with any fiberglass kit, you're going to have to do a lot of sanding and filing and shaping to make the kit fit the car. Once you've got the peices shaped and fitted it's time to attach them permantly.

The first step is screwing the kit to the car. I don't recommend using rivots. You'll see why later on. Use whatever screw will work, I used sheet metal screws. Predrill all of the holes! Fiberglass is very delicate. Now screw the sideskirts and rear bumper to the car. We'll get to the front later on. Again, this is a dry-fit.

Now that you know everything will fit, screwed and all, it's time to glue the kit to the car. Unscrew the kit and lay it aside. I recommend using a strong filler/epoxy to glue on the kit. I used a heat activated, 2 part epoxy called Fusion. If you can find it, use it! It's the best. The first step is to use a surface grinder and grind to bare metal everywhere the kit will be glued to the car. Also, use the grinder to rough up the fiberglass areas of the kit that will be glued to the car. Now, mix your epoxy and using a spreader, lay it on the bare metal areas.

Next, screw the kit onto the car. Use the spreader and a rag soaked in laquer thinner to wipe of any glue that oozes out. Make sure to wipe any glue that gets on the screw heads off! Otherwise, it'll be set in stone and be a permanent part of the car! After the epoxy has cured. Unscrew the screws, except those on the insides of the fenders. These should stay. Countersink the holes if you like to make them less noticable.

Now use a fiberglass based filler such as duraglass or mar-glass and fill all the screw holes. Sand the filler down and then put on a thin coat of regular body filler. Sand that down and the sides and rear are done.

Now screw on the front. If you're putting on the veilside kit, you don't need to glue any of the front to the car.

Chances are you'll need to modify the car a little to get the kit to fit. I had to cut out parts of the exhaust pipe and cut off the corners of the big aluminum reinforcement inside the front bumper.

If you have any more questions just ask dude!

Hope this helps,
Ryan

I'm not going to bother argueing with you, but you may want to read things before you post. I don't want to leave the screws in my kit. And its not getting molded.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

wait... so ur just gunna epoxy it? the whole thing? what if u need to take the kit off for like say... installing an IC ur gunna need to take the bumper off for that. ive had mine for close to a year and i didnt epoxy it (and im glad i didnt) since things come up and u might need to take the kit off (believe me..even the sides) ive had absolutely no probs with my kit just bolted on

bboy

[Rjb23]

wait... so ur just gunna epoxy it?  the whole thing?  what if u need to take the kit off for like say... installing an IC    ur gunna need to take the bumper off for that.  ive had mine for close to a year and i didnt epoxy it (and im glad i didnt) since things come up and u might need to take the kit off (believe me..even the sides)  ive had absolutely no probs with my kit just bolted on

bboy
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Didnt plan on doing that to the front. The front will just be bolted on. So you just have sheet metal screws down the side of your car? I really don't want any screws showing and with the sides I have I need something to hold them to the side of the car.

[playr158]

freakin dumb people

"except those on the insides of the fenders"
you don't screw from the outside genious boy
you screw from the inside

[Rjb23]

freakin dumb people

"except those on the insides of the fenders"
you don't screw from the outside genious boy
you screw from the inside
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Once again I am not going to bother argueing with you, its a given that the screws stay in the wheel wells.

Please don't post unless you have something useful to say.

[playr158]

i gave you sumthing use full
i've done 2 kits on 6gc's and i'm doing a full custom kit now
i'm telling you how its done and wat its done for and i read flipsides post about 4 times b4 and i've talked to him b4
you have to leave screws inside the wheel well for the sideskirts its just how it happens your not goin to get around that....but use a black screw you'll be fine every import has a screw in there or has been riveted in there

as for the front bumper you screw that inside the actual fender
the rear is the same stock screw locations

[Rjb23]

freakin dumb people

"except those on the insides of the fenders"
you don't screw from the outside genious boy
you screw from the inside
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Once again I am not going to bother argueing with you, its a given that the screws stay in the wheel wells.

Please don't post unless you have something useful to say.
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[flipside97LTD]

Okay people lets calm down a little bit. I don't think anyone is trying to prove something, just misunderstandings and such. One thing to remember about body kits, is that anything really is possible. Now just to clarify, I'm not talking to anyone in particular, I know Rjb23 know's about screws in the fender wells. But if someone wants to fill the holes in the fender wells. then fine, do it. There are a ton of show cars that are like that. But that's the thing, they're show cars. They are probably stored in garages with a constant temperature and have 0 miles on the odometer.

The reason why a street driven vehicle should have screws in the fenders is because as tempuratures rise and fall outdoors, throughout the years, the fiberglass on the kit will expand and contract. This eventually causes fiberglass to crack. Screws in the wheel wells help slow down this process. Eventually though it will happen no matter what, that's just fiberglass. That's why most bodyshops will not recommend glassing in, or molding a kit on a street drivin car. It will crack, and when it does it'll be harder to fix that if it wasn't molded to the car.

[Rjb23]

Okay people lets calm down a little bit.  I don't think anyone is trying to prove something, just misunderstandings and such.  One thing to remember about body kits, is that anything really is possible.  Now just to clarify, I'm not talking to anyone in particular, I know Rjb23 know's about screws in the fender wells. But if someone wants to fill the holes in the fender wells. then fine, do it.  There are a ton of show cars that are like that.  But that's the thing, they're show cars.  They are probably stored in garages with a constant temperature and have 0 miles on the odometer. 

The reason why a street driven vehicle should have screws in the fenders is because as tempuratures rise and fall outdoors, throughout the years, the fiberglass on the kit will expand and contract.  This eventually causes fiberglass to crack.  Screws in the wheel wells help slow down this process.  Eventually though it will happen no matter what, that's just fiberglass.  That's why most bodyshops will not recommend glassing in, or molding a kit on a street drivin car.  It will crack, and when it does it'll be harder to fix that if it wasn't molded to the car.
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Thanks flipside, I didnt plan on taking the screws out of the wheel wells. I am more interested on how you held the skirts to the side of the car.? I've seen double sided tape used but my body kit guy said that does not last very long.

In particular this is the part that I am interested in

Now that you know everything will fit, screwed and all, it's time to glue the kit to the car. Unscrew the kit and lay it aside. I recommend using a strong filler/epoxy to glue on the kit. I used a heat activated, 2 part epoxy called Fusion. If you can find it, use it! It's the best. The first step is to use a surface grinder and grind to bare metal everywhere the kit will be glued to the car. Also, use the grinder to rough up the fiberglass areas of the kit that will be glued to the car. Now, mix your epoxy and using a spreader, lay it on the bare metal areas.

Next, screw the kit onto the car. Use the spreader and a rag soaked in laquer thinner to wipe of any glue that oozes out. Make sure to wipe any glue that gets on the screw heads off! Otherwise, it'll be set in stone and be a permanent part of the car!

Im talking about the side of the side skirt to the door jams and the side of the car, not the wheel wells.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

wait... so ur just gunna epoxy it?  the whole thing?  what if u need to take the kit off for like say... installing an IC     ur gunna need to take the bumper off for that.  ive had mine for close to a year and i didnt epoxy it (and im glad i didnt) since things come up and u might need to take the kit off (believe me..even the sides)  ive had absolutely no probs with my kit just bolted on

bboy
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Didnt plan on doing that to the front. The front will just be bolted on. So you just have sheet metal screws down the side of your car? I really don't want any screws showing and with the sides I have I need something to hold them to the side of the car.
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oh ok yah my sideskirts are just bolted on. theyre not really noticable and believe me it probably wont bother u either. the reason why i dont recommend epoxing the sides is that say u have to go to the shop and they need to use the lift to get ur car up to work on underneath... there goes ur sides however my back lip doesnt ever need to come off....

bboy

[playr158]

you only screw the skirt on the inside of the door
which is under the kick panel so you can't see the screws

[Rjb23]

you only screw the skirt on the inside of the door
which is under the kick panel so you can't see the screws
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I don't know if the invader sides are different but my 404 sides from VIS fit like crap, or at least one side does. The part that fits into the door sill/jam I'm not sure how it is supposed to fit. I am trying to determine how it goes but I can't get pics of anyones. One side fits good and I have not problems with it, I am going to have to glue it to the side of the car, because the part that goes up the side near the rear wheel bends out, and will not stay in no matter how much I use a heat gun on it. The other side has a huge gap near the door jam and no matter how much I heat it up clamp it let it cool it doesn't get much better. That is another reason for me to use epoxy, even my body guy said he would have to screw it in or attach it in some way to make it fit right. See the VIS 404 gb thread for pics on how bad the fitment on these things are. Just the one side is really bad the passenger side is ok.

Here I'll post them here




there is really a thin rail of where I can screw it in at in the door jam, I'm worried the the fiberglass will crack easily.

This post has been edited by Rjb23: May 11, 2005 - 2:59 PM