Considering a Swap, Few Questions (Swappers Help Please) Options

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'm finally considering a swap. I'm a lot more interested in rally and autoX racing than drag. If I do the swap, I'd like to do the AWD set up some time in the future, but not right away. One of my questions is, can I have a 3sgte with a reliable 300hp? Another is, were can I get a good clip? Third is, do I have to get parts from the dealer everytime something breaks, or would it be okay for me use mr2 parts on a JDM 3sgte. Thanks for the input everyone.

EDIT: Just to clear a little bit up. I know what it's going to detail to do the awd set up. I've been a member for a good bit and I've done a fare amount of research. I'm also most likely going with stand-alone engine management, but this might not be right away. The questions that I've asked aren't talked about very much, or at all. I could be wrong on that though, it might be that I'm just not searching correctly.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Jun 9, 2005 - 3:02 PM

[Sev408]

awd im not getting into...

300hp to the wheels is reliable and very possible. you will need to upgrade the stock ct26 to probably a t3, bigger injectors? and im not quite sure what else.

good clips, jarco seems to be the most popular.
since your in west virginia look up noyanusa.com, im sure they can import a 3s for you and they are located here in manasa VA, about 45 minutes south of DC.

dealer is an option, so are mr2 parts, im sure even advance auto can get you parts that would appear on a 5s.

[jgreening]

I'm finally considering a swap.  I'm a lot more interested in rally and autoX racing than drag.  If I do the swap, I'd like to do the AWD set up some time in the future, but not right away.  One of my questions is, can I have a 3sgte with a reliable 300hp? 
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Yes

Another is, were can I get a good clip?
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Look at the sticky.

Third is, do I have to get parts from the dealer everytime something breaks, or would it be okay for me use mr2 parts on a JDM 3sgte.
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Most Mr2 parts are the same.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'm finally considering a swap.  I'm a lot more interested in rally and autoX racing than drag.  If I do the swap, I'd like to do the AWD set up some time in the future, but not right away.  One of my questions is, can I have a 3sgte with a reliable 300hp? 
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Yes

Another is, were can I get a good clip?
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Look at the sticky.

Third is, do I have to get parts from the dealer everytime something breaks, or would it be okay for me use mr2 parts on a JDM 3sgte.
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Most Mr2 parts are the same.
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So how high can I run the horsepower with everyday reliability?

I looked at the sticky, it's been there along time, and just because it's up there doesn't mean it's correct. I wanted to get some info from people who have ordered clips and what they thought of the companies.

It's good to know that most mr2 parts are the same, but what are the ones that aren't?

[jgreening]

So how high can I run the horsepower with everyday reliability?

I looked at the sticky, it's been there along time, and just because it's up there doesn't mean it's correct.  I wanted to get some info from people who have ordered clips and what they thought of the companies.

It's good to know that most mr2 parts are the same, but what are the ones that aren't?
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Stock like reliability? You can't. Once you start to modify your car, your reliability decreases. However, I would stay if you stay under horsepower levels consistent with the stock fuel system, your reliability will be reasonable. For the 2nd gen, that is 250-275whp. For the 3rd gen, its 300-325whp.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

jgreening, I do appreciate you input on this stuff. Some of the things you've said are helpful. However, I'm not new to modifieing cars. I know that modification decreases reliability, but I wanted to know how far is to far and what I could expect. Please don't talk to me like I'm new to cars. If you do, others will follow, and pretty soon that's all this particular post will be.

If I could get opinions from other people how have done swaps, that would be very helpful and greatly appreciated.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Jun 9, 2005 - 3:03 PM

[lagos]

on a healty 3sgte you could make 300-400hp with the proper turbo fuel and tuning upgrades without having to upgrade any internals. there is one member of mr2oc making close to 400hp on his unopened 3sgte with 200,000 miles on the clock.

read this link.... it will give you a basic path on how to take a 3sgte to the next level.
http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/power.htm

[MonsterBOX]

well to put it this way i belive the limit on the actual 2nd gen block is around 700...an mr2 dude on the mr2oc or something website did 580hp out of his 2nd gen...reliability should depend on what you parts you are using....if u are pusing the stock turbo to 15psi your gonna wear out the turbo alot quicker...if you are using stock pistons and rods and youre doin over 400hp at 25-30psi there goes your reliability....if you rebuild the engine with the right parts you could easily have reliabilty and insane horsepower

[Negative]

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Pretty much why I don't post here very often. People are way to d*ckish around here.

There is a place called Sun's Auto here in Houston where I got my clip. They have several 2nd and 3rd gen 3S-GTE clips from both MR2's, Celica's and others. It may be too far for you though.
BTW- IMO - stick with a 2nd gen clip - I'm stuck with a 3rd gen clip I'm not going to use now. The good thing is I can sel it for double what I paid for it. The 2nd gen clip will share the majority of the parts from the MR2's except the Tranny and drive axles etc. I helped another member of this site make a custom mount to make his MR2 tranny work in his Celica so it can be done. Biggest problem he had was breaking drive axles.
Hope this helps some.

[jgreening]

jgreening, I do appreciate you input on this stuff.  Some of the things you've said are helpful.  However, I'm not new to modifieing cars.  I know that modification decreases reliability, but I wanted to know how far is to far and what I could expect.  Please don't talk to me like I'm new to cars.  If you do, others will follow, and pretty soon that's all this particular post will be. 

If I could get opinions from other people how have done swaps, that would be very helpful and greatly appreciated.
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Did my post sound like I was demeaning you? I didn't intend it that way. In any event, the information I posted in my response is much more prudent than the other answers you got. To suggest that 700 h.p. is the limit on the 3sgte to a person that is concerned about reliability is misleading. 700 h.p. is approaching the limit of a stroked 3sgte with ALL the bells and whistles. Reliability and that motor, even when built by the best builders, are two words that should not be spoken in the same sentence (assuming its going to be pushed that hard). If you are ultra-concerned about reliability, buy a gen 3 and leave it stock except for intake, exhaust and boost controller. That should be over 300hp at the flywheel and VERY reliable. Hope that helps.

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[jgreening]

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Pretty much why I don't post here very often. People are way to d*ckish around here.
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Who are you referring to and on what basis?

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

jgreening, I do appreciate you input on this stuff.  Some of the things you've said are helpful.  However, I'm not new to modifieing cars.  I know that modification decreases reliability, but I wanted to know how far is to far and what I could expect.  Please don't talk to me like I'm new to cars.  If you do, others will follow, and pretty soon that's all this particular post will be. 

If I could get opinions from other people how have done swaps, that would be very helpful and greatly appreciated.
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Did my post sound like I was demeaning you? I didn't intend it that way. In any event, the information I posted in my response is much more prudent than the other answers you got. To suggest that 700 h.p. is the limit on the 3sgte to a person that is concerned about reliability is misleading. 700 h.p. is approaching the limit of a stroked 3sgte with ALL the bells and whistles. Reliability and that motor, even when built by the best builders, are two words that should not be spoken in the same sentence (assuming its going to be pushed that hard). If you are ultra-concerned about reliability, buy a gen 3 and leave it stock except for intake, exhaust and boost controller. That should be over 300hp at the flywheel and VERY reliable. Hope that helps.
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Your previous post could have been perceived as demeaning, especially for the new members and well, jerks on here. Sometimes it seems like they just wait for someone to start with a little negative comment and then just jump in with the stupid comments. In any means, I do appreciate your help and the fact that you've posted a few times here shows your concern for truthful information. As for someone suggesting 700 reliable horsepower, he sounded like he did some research and was mostly talking about maximizing I think, but it's why I like when several people post. Just as a reminder to everyone, thanks for all your help and please keep the information coming.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Jun 9, 2005 - 4:37 PM

[lagos]

Bigmeanbulldog55, did you read the link i posted. its basically the 3sgte tuning bible.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Bigmeanbulldog55, did you read the link i posted. its basically the 3sgte tuning bible.
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In the prossess. This is going to take me awile. It seems like it's going to be very helpful, thanks. So do you swear by this thing? Do a lot of people?

[lagos]

basically every mr2 owner puts their left hand on the power primer and their right hand on the steering wheel.

[jgreening]

Your previous post could have been precieved as demeaning, especially for the new members and well, jerks on here.

I didn't know big mean bull dogs were so sensitive....just playing. Actually, its very hard to convey tone over a written message. When you review your question and my post, I think you will understand where I was coming from. Your question asked about "everyday reliability". Now, no offense, but I don't know what that means. So, I asked: "Stock-like reliability"? And, the tone inside my head was quite pleasant, I assure you. As for you not being new to the world of modifying cars, I don't recall saying or even implying that. I simply answered your question regarding the 3sgte based upon the research I have done.

One more thing. Your post implies that you only want to hear from folks who have done the swap themselves. As I have stated on numerous occassions in the past, opinions from guys like Super and Lagos are often times much more valuable than mine because of this very reason. However, I am a methodical researcher. Please understand that I only post when I know what I am talking about.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I didn't know big mean bull dogs were so sensitive....just playing.  Actually, its very hard to convey tone over a written message.  When you review your question and my post, I think you will understand where I was coming from.  Your question asked about "everyday reliability".  Now, no offense, but I don't know what that means.  So, I asked: "Stock-like reliability"?  And, the tone inside my head was quite pleasant, I assure you.  As for you not being new to the world of modifying cars, I don't recall saying or even implying that.  I simply answered your question regarding the 3sgte based upon the research I have done. 
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I understand were you were coming from now. It is very hard to convey tone through an Internet message, I completely agree. The reason I am so "sensitive" about these things, is the commonality of their occurrence. They seem to happen a lot to people who don't deserve it. I was just trying to stop something before it was started. I misread.

One more thing.  Your post implies that you only want to hear from folks who have done the swap themselves.  As I have stated on numerous occassions in the past, opinions from guys like Super and Lagos are often times much more valuable than mine because of this very reason.  However, I am a methodical researcher.  Please understand that I only post when I know what I am talking about.
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Got ya.

[Kwanza26]

I think people should talk less and do more... like nik (mad props to nik)... Everything you need to know is here...

For autoX... I wouldn't aim for big horsepower as much as fast spool and good balance. You don't go that fast in AutoX...

[95CelicaST]

like previously stated, if you want reliability (as we all do) then it would be wise to go with a 3rd gen with basic mods, it takes you far.. *sigh* every little boy has dreamed of having a 3rd gen in their 6gc....

[Consynx]

if he goes 3rd gen his question about parts for when stuff breaks turns into a hell though
I'd stay 2nd gen if you plan on running a close checkbook
if you're going to have some back-up funds and you want more reliable power, the 3rd gen may be better

about having to upgrade the turbo to get ~300
i dont really think you have to.
w/ jdm ecu @225hp.
i'll underestimate everything...
15hp for exhaust on turbo
15hp per 3 psi...
5hp for intake instead of airbox
225+45+15+5=300
not an exact science or ANYTHING, but yea...