Beat a 7Gen GT..., WTF just happened??? Options

[darksecret]

I bet you have, no seriously it wouldn't suprise me with a turbo.

[Rjb23]

97+ Prelude VTEC, only Hodas I know of that are faster is the RSX-S, S2000, NSX. There are other versions of these cars but that's pretty much it. Check the specs of the KA20 Si, it's a 16 second car also (with a top speed of 118 I think), 16.0 flat based on professional driver facts so 16.5-16.8 with an amatuer. Yeah they are heavy but they aren't really that slow, faster than a Celica GT-S.
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A 99 prelude has a 1/4 mile time of 15.4, the 99 civic si has a 1/4 mile time of 15.7 both are faster than celica gt's or st's. The integra type-r which is an acura really a honda does the 1/4 mile in 14.7 stock. A 2000 celica gts has a 1/4 mile time of 15.2s. I couldn't find the 7th gen GT's numbers but I'm guessing its better than 16s.

[darksecret]

Where have you got your times, if it's that site with the huge list of cars and times it's wrong info, I tried to use that place before and it's bogus, go with Car and Driver or Road and Track it's funny that the new KA20 Si is considered faster yet it has slower times than the previous models, a lot of places have wrong info or guesses it's funny how it only takes the GT-S 15.4 to do the quarter yet half that time it's trying to climb a mere 30 mph.

[JoKeRkId613]

ive beat a 7gc gt-s 
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I wonder why?... Lol. Nice bro, that guy must've had his mouth wide open. good s h i t. i totally agree the 6g auto st celis are slow as hell. lol. i cant wait to get my 4agze. coming this summer, hopefully. but yea, i dont know. that guy either let me win or he REALLY couldn't drive. either way, if he was driving well, i would've sprayed that 75 and im pretty sure i woulda had that nitrous is the s h i t!

[darksecret]

Since i'm the one holding the camera (explains why it looks like crap) I couldn't shift so I had to keep it in fifth (which isn't a bad thing after 80 but isn't great at 60) and i don't give any gas until I start shooting so it's from a coast so I go from 60-90 in about 10 seconds from a fifth gear roll, so what is that like 7-8 seconds in fourth, funny thing is the fastest quarter mile times on the few you said was the GT-S (ex. the Type-R, i've never had the pleasure to run one) funny thing is even with a 6 speed almost half that quarter is from 60-90 which is roughly 7-8 seconds, basically that means if a Celica GT-S was to pass me flooring it at 60 and I was cruising in fourth at 60 mph I could floor it and keep up, so basically like I said i'm not king ding-a-ling but I can hold my own with an Si and not much less than a GT-S. If you can see in the video I can handle curves pretty well also, this is the one the AMG about lost it on, ask easternpiro1 he's followed me on it and it's sharper than it looks, I would love to see a stock Si hang with me on it.

BTW like I said before this was done a few months ago and all I was doing was trying to see is if I could film and drive at the same time, if I can concentrate on the driving more I might have given it WOT. I'll try to do another if I can find a passenger to film me.

S-Turn

7.8Mb so it's a slow download and I wish I had sound but this was done on just a 16MB Camera.

[Kwanza26]

97+ Prelude VTEC, only Hodas I know of that are faster is the RSX-S, S2000, NSX. There are other versions of these cars but that's pretty much it. Check the specs of the KA20 Si, it's a 16 second car also (with a top speed of 118 I think), 16.0 flat based on professional driver facts so 16.5-16.8 with an amatuer. Yeah they are heavy but they aren't really that slow, faster than a Celica GT-S.
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You should pay a visit to EPhatch.com. One of my local buddies ran 14.9 with his A3... and when you say K20... you should specify. If you think you know well enough to say such and such Hondas are slow, you better know well enough to specify which Honda engine is which. There's a world of difference between K20A3, K20A2 and K20A...

Also... it's pretty redundant to compare a modded car vs. a stock car. If you do happen to go check out EPhatch.com (which I high reccomend you do)... you'll see how many of those "slow" Civic SI's run 14's with bolt-ons and mild tuning.

As for the H22A ludes... they're not that fast. The H22A is a great motor, but the ludes themselves are pretty heavy (~3000 pounds). I'd say mod for mod, an Integra GSR can outrun an H22 Lude.

Oh... and I really hate people who talk trash about racing and stuff... especially when they just don't know too much, nor have too much experience with different types of cars/engines.

[darksecret]

I'm comparing a modded econo engine (that nobody gives credit since nobody tries to really mod it) to a stock performance engine. My bad I said KA20 didn't I i've been talking about 240's a lot lately, to get technical (since the only person it bothers is Kwanza) K20A3, K20A is the Civic Type R right and the K20A2 is the RSX-S, I said Civic Si though, not Type R or RSX Type S. You're right about the Prelude I went off of the numbers since i've only seen one willing to race and I know he would beat me I don't have first hand experience. I figured you of all people would know that knowledge of motors has nothing to do with driving, look at Nascar that stuff looks easy but they don't have the electronic "driving assistants" that other forms of racing have and you can't find too many Nascar guys that can tell you what a 350 is. Also consider this i'm no Honda expert I go off what I race I know enough about Hondas to know which one I can try and which I need to stay away from, if the Si's are so quick you guys got some bad reps because if an Si w/ intake and exhaust can't beat a weak little Celica with some cams, intake, and exhaust Honda Hell must be freezing over.

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[Kwanza26]

I'm comparing a modded econo engine (that nobody gives credit since nobody tries to really mod it) to a stock performance engine. My bad I said KA20 didn't I i've been talking about 240's a lot lately, to get technical (since the only person it bothers is Kwanza) K20A3, K20A is the Civic Type R right and the K20A2 is the RSX-S, I said Civic Si though, not Type R or RSX Type S. You're right about the Prelude I went off of the numbers since i've only seen one willing to race and I know he would beat me I don't have first hand experience. I figured you of all people would know that knowledge of motors has nothing to do with driving, look at Nascar that stuff looks easy but they don't have the electronic "driving assistants" that other forms of racing have and you can't find too many Nascar guys that can tell you what a 350 is.
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It's not a matter of giving credit... you're comparing apples and oranges based on remote accounts. On average, 6th gen Celicas are 17 second cars between modded GT's and ST's. On average, modded 7th gen GT's and GT-S's are 14-15 second cars. On average, modded EP3 Civic SI's are 14-15 second cars. On average, modded Integra GSR's are 14-15 second cars. 1 second is as much as 2-3 car lengths in the 14-18 second range on the 1/4 mile.

I call it bragging when you run across some random car on the street, pass it, and then go off on how slow they are and such, and how much credit your econo-box engine deserves. If you look at other tuner communities and look at their relative averages, perhaps then you can start to make a guess what would really happen if these two cars really raced. Bench racing based on remote guesses and then bragging about it bugs me...

Also... since we're talking drag racing... it doesn't take much skill, and since it's bench racing, let's assume the drivers are all equal. If you're trying to compare drivers, not engines, a pinto can smoke a ferrai if the driver's a monkey. That makes as much sense as trying to compare drivers you don't know anything about.

[darksecret]

If you want to put it that way then Kwanza, what about an SS-II vs. the K20A3 Civic Si, see I could compare apples to apples but this is america, Toyota lucked out on the good stuff, but if I did a 3SGE swap and started busting all the little Si kids around here they would be crying because i'm not stock, well in most other parts of the world that is what came in my car, I didn't upgrade from a B16 to a B18, I went from a Camry motor back to what was meant to be in this car. So now that I gave myself the right to argue due to being stuck with a motor made for another car, unlike Honda kids who get a decent choice. See I only bench raced one car and that was the Prelude since i've never ran one (97+) and the only one i've driven was an '89 Si, the guy I ran with the '04 Si knew what he was doing he ran a lot, and it felt pretty good to have someone with a car that is suppose to be Oogled over by Honda nuts in the US swear that i'm not stock, and as I told him there is a little done, there was no B/S there is a little done to my car, like a few hundred in mods. It just tires me of all these Honda guys getting on here and claiming that a friggin RSX-S can beat a GT-Four, maybe an old beater Four if the front wheels fell off but that's about it.

[Mr_E]

Everyone on this board with the exception of the gt-four, the ssi, ssii, ssiii, turbo'd and the 3s guys need to face it your cars are slow.

A SS-I is slow. Very slow.

[Kwanza26]

If you want to put it that way then Kwanza, what about an SS-II vs. the K20A3 Civic Si, see I could compare apples to apples but this is america, Toyota lucked out on the good stuff, but if I did a 3SGE swap and started busting all the little Si kids around here they would be crying because i'm not stock, well in most other parts of the world that is what came in my car, I didn't upgrade from a B16 to a B18, I went from a Camry motor back to what was meant to be in this car. So now that I gave myself the right to argue due to being stuck with a motor made for another car, unlike Honda kids who get a decent choice. See I only bench raced one car and that was the Prelude since i've never ran one (97+) and the only one i've driven was an '89 Si, the guy I ran with the '04 Si knew what he was doing he ran a lot, and it felt pretty good to have someone with a car that is suppose to be Oogled over by Honda nuts in the US swear that i'm not stock, and as I told him there is a little done, there was no B/S there is a little done to my car, like a few hundred in mods. It just tires me of all these Honda guys getting on here and claiming that a friggin RSX-S can beat a GT-Four, maybe an old beater Four if the front wheels fell off but that's about it.
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Well in that case... you're just being biased. You're now saying it's not your fault, but the little "SI" kids? It doesn't matter what you have really... when I "spar" with a person, it's all about how they communicate their opinions. You're not willing to agree to the very obvious. If you feel the "SI kids" will cry if you do a swap... shame on them... however, when you start bragging, it makes you no better than them (only in reverse polarity).

Oh... and if you've never driven a GT4 or an RSX-S... who are you to say a RSX-S can't hang with a four? Not stock for stock at least... but I'll tell you it won't be a slaughter...

[OOBE]

STs and GTs are SLOW...end of story. A 7GC GT is definately faster and lighter than a 6GC GT...not by much, but it don't matter if you win by an...muahaha...sorry! Anyway, I beat a I/E/ '94 GSR with my auto ST at 3 PSI with a broken piston, LOL. The funny thing was that I started at a dead stop and he took off revving high...I still catched up before a 16th of a mile! So without turbo or NAWZZZ, an ST and GT are SLOW!

[darksecret]

I know i'm biased, I brag because my car has a few mods on it and can run with "tuner" cars and a lot of people on here want to know what it takes to make the underdog win, this car is by far fast, my Sierra would whale on this car in a race (it actually did when my brother had it) but it would smoke most stock 4 bangers in a straight line (ex. an Evo or STi). I'm comparing my orange to the rest of the apples because I have the sporty equivalent to a D16 powered Civic beating B16 powered Civics and have a short clip showing it can hold it's own even in fifth against some cars on a higher level (I do need to get a better clip though and a cameraman). You tried to flame me over a mistake in a Honda engine and then the rest was just complaining about me bragging, if I was in a Civic nobody would care, but it's a Celica, at least i'm starting to show i'm not B/Sing.

[macavely]

OK for all the little kids on here that don't know ship .... a Stock 6gc ST Auto Can not beat a Stock GT 7gc in a real race ... plan and simple ..

[darksecret]

Uh.. Mac I think we covered that.

[macavely]

Uh.. Mac I think we covered that.
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yea but i felt saying it over again ....

[Kwanza26]

I know i'm biased, I brag because my car has a few mods on it and can run with "tuner" cars and a lot of people on here want to know what it takes to make the underdog win, this car is by far fast, my Sierra would whale on this car in a race (it actually did when my brother had it) but it would smoke most stock 4 bangers in a straight line (ex. an Evo or STi). I'm comparing my orange to the rest of the apples because I have the sporty equivalent to a D16 powered Civic beating B16 powered Civics and have a short clip showing it can hold it's own even in fifth against some cars on a higher level (I do need to get a better clip though and a cameraman). You tried to flame me over a mistake in a Honda engine and then the rest was just complaining about me bragging, if I was in a Civic nobody would care, but it's a Celica, at least i'm starting to show i'm not B/Sing.
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Hehe... talk is cheap buddy... if you want to think your Celica GT is fast... go for it. Maybe your definition of fast is my definition of medicore... but whatever floats your boat and keeps you happy. If you really want people to respect your opinion... talk less... show more. Throw down a timeslip... easy as that. Anyone here that have built their cars and raced elsewhere besides with the kiddies on the street... would know better than to just talk.

[ArizonaRed]

i got my a$$ handed to me from a 7th gen GTS and a 98+ prelude vtec and thats when i was turbocharged but i do have an automatic.

[Consynx]

a manual GT vs a 7th gen Auto GT...that'd be interesting

As for all these fancy Honda codes...damn, there's too many variances of hondas to where i can't follow it...
they should turn into America's Acura, althought im sure each engine in those has different codes because ones detuned, ones not...yadda yadda

[TRD6GC]

Well like it has been said by Mac and others, an ST can not beat a new GT. BUT, i have raced a 7th gen GT with my GT, and i won. I did not just pass it and say its slow. We were at a dead stop and went at it, and i won. The specs for a new GT are 140 horse but only 125 ft lbs torque compared to a 6th gen GT's 135 horse and 145 foot lbs torque. So a 7th gen GT has 5 more horse but 20 less torque. I am not bragging, my car is not fast, but neither are 7th gen GT's. And the new celicas weigh about 100 lbs less our 6gc's. Thats is not enough to make a big difference considering the the weight of the two people driving could make a bigger difference (a 260 lb person in a 7th gen racing a 140 lb person in a 6gc, would give our 6gc 20 lbs LESS, this example is just to show that a 100 lb difference means almost nothing) I only say this because a couple people said a 6th gen GT could not beat a 7th GT. --------OBVIOUSLY this is based stock on stock.