Beat a 7Gen GT..., WTF just happened??? Options

[JoKeRkId613]

I'm on my way home... I see a blue 7th Gen Celi GT on I-75... So I'm just cruising and I notice it's a young guy and the Celi has a little body kit. So I'm thinking, "let me just see how much that car can beat me by". So I pull up even next to him. Three honks. Beep, beep, beep. GO. I had the guy the whole time, pretty much... He kept up with me for like a second. Mind you I have an automatic ST. WTF just happened??? I thought the new Celis were faster! This is a true story and apparently this guy does not know how to drive. I mean, he honked thrice so this was a race. Maybe he was messing with me? What happened? Lol.

[Blakout16]

lol, well from what i gather the ST celica can beat down the celica GT (00+ models of course) i dunno, i havent had ne problems from ne n/a gt's yet.

[Supersprynt]

Its 140hp.

[946thGenGT]

If the GT was an auto I could maybe believe it, but I don't think an ST could beat a 5spd GT. I can take 7th gen auto GTs no problem but the 5spds are more trouble.

[slipgun]

I dint do too bad myself with my manual ST vs a GT but we where just toying with eachother not a strait race but when we both hit it we where about even.

[darksecret]

I have trouble with GT-S's, GT's have never been a problem, but for and auto ST he had to have been messing with you.

[JoKeRkId613]

That's what I was thinking, but if he did decide to really hit it, I have an extra 75HP behing my seat... just in case

[darksecret]

I ran a couple of GSR's today, one had a VTEC badge and the other had a Honda emblem on it, it was funny the one with the VTEC badge almost took out a median trying to get in the turn lane, I eventually lost the other one, what is it with Honda guys and flat black?

[Supersprynt]

GSRs and GT-Ss will just own the ****ta outta GTs let alone STs enough with this BS.

[playr158]

i've beat'n a GT 7th gen
with an manual st

[macavely]

ok the kid driving the 7th gen GT didn't know what he was doing or wasn't racing ... i have had a fully stock 7gc GT take me by a good 3 car lenth .. they girl driving it was just as good of a driver as me... and trust me i know how to drive and get everything out of my car...

[JoKeRkId613]

macavely, im sorry to say but either that car was hooked up or you really cant drive as good as that girl. i mean, from what i gather, you have a gt. 135 horses. i know thats not everything, but its good enough for this topic. i have 110, and i didnt spray nitrous. so i beat this guy by a good half a car. i dont know how that girl beat you by three cars if she was stock... i dont know if this guys car was stock, but he had the action package so it had the trd bodykit thing. i dont mean to offend you by what i said about your driving. im sure youve been driving for a long time and know what youre doing, it just sounded like you were saying my story wasnt true or something. i mean, i know this was a race for sure, the guy honked three times and we were off. that little 1zz was really kicking. i took my overdrive off, as i do for every race... i dont know if that does much. so i dont know. my st is pretty much stock, just intake, diff spark plugs, lol, and nitrous which i didnt use. so your gt probably had three of the spark plug wires disattached when you raced the 7th gen. thats the only thing i could think of...

[macavely]

macavely, im sorry to say but either that car was hooked up or you really cant drive as good as that girl. i mean, from what i gather, you have a gt. 135 horses. i know thats not everything, but its good enough for this topic. i have 110, and i didnt spray nitrous. so i beat this guy by a good half a car. i dont know how that girl beat you by three cars if she was stock... i dont know if this guys car was stock, but he had the action package so it had the trd bodykit thing. i dont mean to offend you by what i said about your driving. im sure youve been driving for a long time and know what youre doing, it just sounded like you were saying my story wasnt true or something. i mean, i know this was a race for sure, the guy honked three times and we were off. that little 1zz was really kicking. i took my overdrive off, as i do for every race... i dont know if that does much. so i dont know. my st is pretty much stock, just intake, diff spark plugs, lol, and nitrous which i didnt use. so your gt probably had three of the spark plug wires disattached when you raced the 7th gen. thats the only thing i could think of...
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Maybe my driving isn't that good ... and yea she is a damn good driver.. but i alse know that 7th gen GT is fast maybe not off the line.. but faster then a 6gc GT and ST ... from point A to B and around corners.... if the person behined the wheel knows how to drive.. and before i owned my GT i had and ST auto tranny.... so i know how damn slow that thing is... so u taking a 7th gen ... well the other kid just didn't know how to drive ... i belive u took him...but there is a reason behined it and its not that ur auto ST is faster then a GT ...

[darksecret]

GSRs and GT-Ss will just own the ****ta outta GTs let alone STs enough with this BS.
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Dude, I wasn't BSing, I didn't say I busted them I just beat them and they were beaters, the GS-T I have trouble with stock, you give low torque cars too much credit, torque makes better for playing on the highway anyways.
BTW I think i've explained that i'm not stock, I need to update my profile.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Jun 13, 2005 - 8:42 AM

[darksecret]

I think he has you there Mac a stock 7th gen GT beating a stock 6th Gen GT, thats like getting beat by a stock D16 Civic, if that happened to me then I would be checking to see if one of my cylinders is even firing (no B/S it's happened before, I ran a D16 Civic and won by a car length because my #1 was giving a really weak spark, explained my starting problem also, it was the plug wire) I'm going to have to get some video of this stuff, they won't have sound since all I have is a Camera with an XD card but it shoots 1 min. clips, and all I need is 16 or so seconds.

[Kwanza26]

GSRs and GT-Ss will just own the ****ta outta GTs let alone STs enough with this BS.
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Dude, I wasn't BSing, I didn't say I busted them I just beat them and they were beaters, the GS-T I have trouble with stock, you give low torque cars too much credit, torque makes better for playing on the highway anyways.
BTW I think i've explained that i'm not stock, I need to update my profile.
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And you don't give them enough credit. Torque makes a car easier to drive, but horsepower is what keeps a car moving at higher speeds. If you wanna talk torque... you better have a sh!t load cause a majority of engine's torque bands are below 4000 rpms. Try shifting at peak torque during a race and then try doing it at peak horsepower... you'll see who's faster.

Anyway... if you have an AUTO ST... you shouldn't be trying to race it anyway.

[darksecret]

I agree auto ST needs help, I really need a video of this stuff, when you're comparing about 128 whp 156 lbs. ft (well that was a couple of years ago when the previous owner had it, not much has changed since, just an intake) to maybe 145 whp 95 lbs. ft. with about a 200 lbs. weight difference yeah I would say I have enough power to hang with any Honda less than a Prelude VTEC. I figured I would get my a** handed to me when I first ran a '98 Si on I485, I figured I did pretty good seeing he had at least an intake and exhaust, I also learned that the KA20 powered Si's are slow I ran right beside one on I77 and I was in 5th the entire time, the main reason people get beat when they push there Celicas to the redline is that any amount of real power was lost about 1,500 rpm back and now they're wasting speed when they could upshift at about 5,000 and take advantage of the powerband, just because a car has a 9,000 rpm redline doesn't mean it has a lot of power.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Jun 13, 2005 - 9:50 AM

[Rjb23]

I agree auto ST needs help, I really need a video of this stuff, when you're comparing about 128 whp 156 lbs. ft (well that was a couple of years ago when the previous owner had it, not much has changed since, just an intake) to maybe 145 whp 95 lbs. ft. with about a 200 lbs. weight difference yeah I would say I have enough power to hang with any Honda less than a Prelude VTEC. I figured I would get my a** handed to me when I first ran a '98 Si on I485, I figured I did pretty good seeing he had at least an intake and exhaust, I also learned that the KA20 powered Si's are slow I ran right beside one on I77 and I was in 5th the entire time, the main reason people get beat when they push there Celicas to the redline is that any amount of real power was lost about 1,500 rpm back and now they're wasting speed when they could upshift at about 5,000 and take advantage of the powerband, just because a car has a 9,000 rpm redline doesn't mean it has a lot of power.
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Wow a prelude vtec is slow, they are heavy and slow.

Everyone on this board with the exception of the gt-four, the ssi, ssii, ssiii, turbo'd and the 3s guys need to face it your cars are slow. Stock for stock a gt or an st is not going to beat a 7th get gt or gt-s with someone that is actually racing you and knows how to drive, let alone a civic si, the 2k si's have like 165 hp and they are geared great, they are quick little cars. The GT and ST are 16 and 17 second cars, that is not fast.

[darksecret]

97+ Prelude VTEC, only Hondas I know of that are faster is the RSX-S, S2000, NSX. There are other versions of these cars but that's pretty much it. Check the specs of the K20A3 Si, it's a 16 second car also (with a top speed of 118 I think), 16.0 flat based on professional driver facts so 16.5-16.8 with an amatuer. Yeah they are heavy but they aren't really that slow, faster than a Celica GT-S.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Jun 13, 2005 - 5:59 PM

[forkee]

ive beat a 7gc gt-s