Edo's Celica DYNO TUNE., Gained some horses :D Options

[dustin15brown]

How much money have you put into this for the extra 20 hp? can you give us a breakdown maybe? And would you recomend other 7afe's doing this for the limited power u gained?

[FallenHero]

more along the lines of 35hp. And I still want to know if the car was dynoed at the wheels.

What was the exhaust set up? Stock header? any cats?

[CelicaST18]

couldn't you just have a shop regrind the stock cam to the specs you request???

[MonsterBOX]

with those pistons and that engine build you could drop the compression and really kick some ass with a turbo up in the psi's

[doGGy]

The HP numbers are at the crank, if you look at the graph, you will see power loss curve at the very bottom. About 18 HP loss at 6K rpm.

As for exhaust - Header on Euro ST's is like on rollas, pipe header 4-2-1, Exhaust is all at 2" NO cat, one resonator (straight through) and rear muffler (straight)

Air filter - Apex'i, short ram air intake, with Cold air box.

more along the lines of 35hp.  And I still want to know if the car was dynoed at the wheels.

What was the exhaust set up?  Stock header? any cats?
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[FallenHero]

ok, so what is the hp at the wheels then? 128-18=110whp?

[doGGy]

Guess yea

ok, so what is the hp at the wheels then?  128-18=110whp?
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[dustin15brown]

so about 20-25 hp gain right? How much total went into it

[edo17982]

let's say that:

Pistons 400€
Head job (full) 500€
engine block jobs (lightening polish bore ecc) like 600€
exhaust 100€
intake: traded
Emanage +E01 (optional) 600€ more or less
FPR: 80€
Other little things...don't remember

Anyway u have to think that since my engine was blowing out I had to rebuil it so I got the moment to to those things so I can't say it costed me much cuz I need the rebuild and works in the whole count weren't so much

[FallenHero]

Wow, I love ya man, but it's time to let the 7a head go in favor of a 4ag unit. Can you do such things over there? If not, I'd do it and fab the 7afe valve cover to fit the 4ag. Claim 7a, but have da power to back it up.

[MonsterBOX]

i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?

[doGGy]

Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!

Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....

i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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[FallenHero]

He was building for boost, but the compression didn't work out for that application. The 7a head is just... limitied. the 4ag with cams suitable would be great... that would drop the compression back down though...

[edo17982]

Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!

Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....

i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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Thanks bro, I wouldn't have been able to say that **** better

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[MonsterBOX]

Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!

Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....

i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?

[FallenHero]

He was building for boost, but the compression didn't work out for that application.  The 7a head is just... limitied.  the 4ag with cams suitable would be great... that would drop the compression back down though...
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Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!

Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....

i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?
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Yes, it was

[doGGy]

Yes, it was, but if you have 11.02 CR under your hood, where is no way to go turbo with such thing... So instead going turbo - he stoped the project and left it as N/A for some time, changed his mind few times, thought about head swap to 4AG, thought about ITB's and etc.... Almost vent with ITB's till i overtalked him AGAIN to forget about all these N/A things, and just go FI.

Cuz N/A will still just be N/A, gonna eat alot of fuel, scream like it was doing 100, but gonna go at 10.... I would understand, if this was Honda motor, all N/A with (just like the one what FallenHero posted on Off-topics), this would be a killer... But then you try to make our Amazing 7AFE the N/A monster - all you will get is just a money Eater, and smoked everyday by a stock cars...

7AFE N/A motor - NOT WORTH A PENNY, better go Turbo, blow this mofo 3 times in a row, and still this will be cheaper then to have strong running N/A 7A....

Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!

Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....

i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?
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[FallenHero]

agreed, this car has like.. 110 whp. Basically stock 4ag's are putting down 95ish, and the SIMPLE bolt on ones are getting over 110. I saw a ITB one the other day with cams make 115 at the wheels. And, it was RWD, so there was more drivetrain loss.

7a=-not a NA motor in 7afe form. 7age... we'll see.

[MonsterBOX]

yea but all the head work he did switching now would just suck

[FallenHero]

which is why I'd slap on a high quality thick head gasket and boost the hell out of it.