5SFE and 3SGTE flywheels, Are they the same? Options

[WannabeGT4]

If you want to go auto and you can make it work, i say do it. Who cares what some negative people has to say. It's ur car, ur project and if you can pull it off you will be the first to have a auto 3SGTE.

come on people, stop insulting each other. This guy needs our help not our oppinions.
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Thanks.

why do the swap 2 times ???
hey if you got skills like that make it happen....
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I'd only be swapping the motor once then a trans. if I have to. Not nearly the same amount of work.

im embarrased to read this topic........

good luck with the swap man i wanna see pictures when u get it street worthy. 
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I don't know what's so embarrassing but thanks for wishing me luck. I'll definately have pictures when I'm done.

[Punch]

how long will it take you???
pics ASAP!!!

[celicast3sgte]

the embarrasing part is reading what all these members had to say. Id like to think we support eachother especially when it comes to something different and the guy said he knows it might not last but he wants to try it. so let him. anyways i like the idea on paper lets see it completed!

[WannabeGT4]

how long will it take you???
pics ASAP!!!
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Trust me, there will be plenty of pics and vids when it's done. Right now the only thing holding me back is cash flow. I hope to get started in a month or two. Wives are expensive. I should have done this before getting married. LOL! I love her though.

the embarrasing part is reading what all these members had to say. Id like to think we support eachother especially when it comes to something different and the guy said he knows it might not last but he wants to try it. so let him. anyways i like the idea on paper lets see it completed!
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Thanks. I feel the same way.

[Punch]

I have a girl friend of 4yrs Iknow what you meen. (expensive)

[WannabeGT4]

the flywheel will bolt up! the diameter surface area is a little different where the clutch sits and the 5s flywheel is deffintely heavier!
dg

Just found out tonight that neither the flexplate nor the 5SFE flywheel bolt onto the 3SGTE crank. Either one will need machined to fit the larger bolts and slightly different bolt pattern of the 3SGTE.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Jun 17, 2007 - 9:53 AM

[celicast3sgte]

serious? i have a 5sfe flywheel (pretty damn sure) and its bolted up to my 3s just fine.

[coldbluesteel]

I don't know what the problem is...
I mean I prefer stick in a car, but I like auto in my 4runner and it is hooked up with some power.
Plus auto's arne't so bad I mean they can't hold the power someone said? How's that? The twin turbo Supra comes in auto. And alot of high power muscle cars prefer auto for better rpm control.

[celicast3sgte]

your comparing a factory twin turboed car (trans is built for it) to a stock economy built car. you just cant do that. yes the CONCEPT of an auto holding power works. but the two transmissions are WAY different.

NOW, don't take this as me arguing wannabegt4 shouldnt do it, im just pointing out that coldblue is comparing two different trannies.

This post has been edited by celicast3sgte: Oct 12, 2006 - 12:01 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

the flywheel will bolt up! the diameter surface area is a little different where the clutch sits and the 5s flywheel is deffintely heavier!
dg

Liar.

Just found out tonight that neither the flexplate nor the 5SFE flywheel bolt onto the 3SGTE crank. Either one will need machined to fit the larger bolts and slightly different bolt pattern of the 3SGTE.

???

I've used 5S flywheels on the 3SGTE, and they most certainly do bolt up. In fact, the 4th gen that I just finshed is using a 5S flywheel and clutch setup.

-Doc

[WannabeGT4]

No such luck for me. The 5S Flywheel bolt holes where large enough, it's just that the pattern was off by about 1mm and the bolts wouldn't go into the crank straight. The flexplate bolt holes are definately too small and so they're off by about 2mm. I'll make a diagram when I get home tonight to show exactly what I'm talking about.

[celicast3sgte]

detailed pics please?

I have a 5s flywheel and CF clutch on my 3s. it fits.....

[Defgeph]

Justin, are you 100% sure you have a 5sfe flywheel ?

[WannabeGT4]

It could be a different flywheel now that you mention it... The person I bought all this stuff from wasn't exactly trustworthy. Using the little bit of play between the crank and the center of the flywheel I did manage to get one bolt in but there was absolutely no way to get any of the other bolts through since it was now slightly off center.

One thing I am 100% certain about is that the flexplate will NOT bolt up without having the holes machined about 1 or 2mm larger and further from the center of the plate, which would suggest that there is a 2-4mm difference between the two crank bolt patterns. I need to get a good digital caliper gauge so I can take some reliable measurements. I'll update everyone when I get a chance to measure everything and take some pictures.

[Dr_Tweak]

It sounds to me like you've got a 4AGE flywheel on your hands

Having to drill the flexplate holes out a little don't suprise me though, the bolts that hold it on are also different. Are you using flexplate bolts or flywheel bolts?

-Doc

[WannabeGT4]

It sounds to me like you've got a 4AGE flywheel on your hands

Having to drill the flexplate holes out a little don't suprise me though, the bolts that hold it on are also different. Are you using flexplate bolts or flywheel bolts?

-Doc

I wouldn't be surprised, This whole bunch of stuff was quite a mess when I got it. 90-91 harness, RC ECU, 92-93 engine that may have been an RC. No AFM, MAP, Coil or Ignitor. I'm pretty sure everything is sorted out now but it was quite a task locating the RC AFM.

I haven't been able to mount the flexplate yet so I'm not sure what bolts I'll use. If the flywheel bolts aren't too long and clear the torque converter I'm going to use them otherwise I'll be making another trip to the Toyota dealer / hardware store since the 5SFE bolts are quite a bit smaller.

[WannabeGT4]

Got the digital caliper today at Harbor freight for $13... Normally $39.99 on sale for 15.99 plus 20% off since my brothers girlfriend works there. Seems like a pretty nice unit from what I can tell.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/disp...temnumber=47257

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Oct 13, 2006 - 4:08 PM

[celicast3sgte]

itll work for what your doing with it.

[6th_celi_vert]

<--Still laughing over the fact he's doing a auto conversion because of his balls. My side is hurting.



Anywayz, good luck with it man, some people need to be less of a dick, and more of a help. PICS PICS PICS

[WannabeGT4]

LOL, I forgot I said that. Still makes me laugh too.

Got the measurements this evening and I'm back home puting them into AutoCAD. The flywheel I have is a perfect fit for the 5SFE by the way. The bolt patern of the 3SGTE is off by 4mm in comparison to the 5SFE. I'll have AutoCAD drawings in a little bit to show exactly what the difference is.

Does anyone know if the 1st through 3rd generation 3SGEs have the same bolt patterns and if the flywheels are the same as the 3SGTE? I'd check the part numbers but my EPC decided to stop working. If not it's cool, I'll just take my handy dandy digital caliper to the parts store tomorrow evening.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Oct 13, 2006 - 11:55 PM