My weekend was pretty good, I got waxed on by a diesel truck Options

[darksecret]

Alright I was at the races over the weekend and got beat pretty bad by a 378rwhp 726 rwtq (I believe that is what he said he dyno'd at CP earlier that night) diesel Chevy, go figure, I also ran a Cobalt SS, I got 1st and 2nd gear by third he caught up and by 4th he blew past me like he was spraying and beat me by 2 car lengths, the next race was against a Cherokee 4.0 Litre V6, no contest I won by almost 10 lengths (sad thing was he beat every Accord out there first).

Last weekend I ran a lightly modded MX-6 V6 and matched him (35mph roll, if it was from a stop I know I would have won), the second run was against a built D16 (I don't know Hondas very well but it said VTEC on the valve cover) 4 door that got me by a half length the first time, I won the second run with him (it was close but that's what everyone was saying, the last run was a 25mph roll against a well modded LS Civic coupe (everyone said he was putting out 170 to the wheels) he got me by a good car length when I hit fifth. The road we ran on was every bit of a quarter mile so it was a fair run.

The Cobalt was a 3 run race because he kept missing second and I don't like to claim wins on BS like missed shifts. I did get to cruise with a 525 rwhp 350Z twin turbo that will be in Import Mag soon, he just finished shooting.

I'm really close to tearing my head apart to find out my specs because a lot of people on here have the 5SFE and complain because they can't beat a D16 with a couple of bolt ons, I ran with one with a built head, intake, full exhaust, and was lightend to 2400 lbs. so that will be my project when I get a beater (hopefully this winter).
My next races are against a Suzuki Reno (when he gets his bolt ons), then an Eclipse GS-T with a Big 16G upgrade (after I get my 75 shot).

This post has been edited by darksecret: Jul 13, 2005 - 12:02 PM

[Andason]

toooo mucchh to read.

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[darksecret]

How's that.

[tomazws]

toooo mucchh to read.

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lazy bastard!


hahah.. i'm a bit lazy too

[Andason]

How's that.
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huh?

[Supersprynt]

Cliff notes?

[CoSo]

Cliffnotes
At last race weekend:

Beaten by:
Diesel Chevy
Cobalt SS
built D16 4 door w/ VTEC (1st run, close)
well modded LS Civic coupe

Matched with:
lightly modded MX-6 V6

Beat:
Cherokee 4.0 Litre V6 (10 car lengths)
built D16 4 door w/ VTEC (2nd run, close)

Gonna race:
Suzuki Reno w/ bolt ons
Eclipse GS-T with a Big 16G upgrade




There, now where's my pizza

[Gen6-GT]

What mods do you have on your 5SFE?

[darksecret]

Cams, intake, and exhaust so far, but that is what the previous owner told me was done I couldn't tell you the profile of the cams without taking them out and measuring. I've learned that it's not really that difficult or expensive to get 130-140whp out of the 5SFE going N/A, it's when you try to get 160-200whp where the money really comes in but by then you're putting enough to the ground to run with some pretty quick cars. The only thing i'm going for in the 5SFE as far as mods is a 75 shot of nitrous to put me into SRT-4 range, I doubt my tranny will hold up though since it's stock and has been thrashed. BTW here is a pic of the D16 I ran the only thing that looked stock up close was the intake. He decided to show off after the race since he got me by a half, no BS that's what he did and you see where showing off gets you, lol.


Thanks CoSo I guess that clears it up, lol.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Jul 14, 2005 - 10:07 AM

[easternpiro1]

OH SHEEEHITE!! THATS MATTS CAR!!!!! wow...i wish i wasnt at work....he's a maniac anyway....

[darksecret]

Yeah he hit the ditch doing about 45 mph, it actually held up, the worst damage was the right turn signal.

[Kwanza26]

Cams, intake, and exhaust so far, but that is what the previous owner told me was done I couldn't tell you the profile of the cams without taking them out and measuring. I've learned that it's not really that difficult or expensive to get 130-140whp out of the 5SFE going N/A, it's when you try to get 160-200whp where the money really comes in but by then you're putting enough to the ground to run with some pretty quick cars. The only thing i'm going for in the 5SFE as far as mods is a 75 shot of nitrous to put me into SRT-4 range, I doubt my tranny will hold up though since it's stock and has been thrashed. BTW here is a pic of the D16 I ran the only thing that looked stock up close was the intake. He decided to show off after the race since he got me by a half, no BS that's what he did and you see where showing off gets you, lol.
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Pretty easy to get into the 130-140 whp range!? Tell that to Jim Snodgrass... lol
http://www.jimsnodgrass.com/dyno.htm

That's the misconception with Toyota tuners. They think it's easy to make a lot of n/a horsepower, at least enough to compete against other import 4 bangers (namely Hondas). In all seriousness, in my buisness, I've worked on many many fast n/a Hondas... while never really ever worked on a decently quick n/a toyota (short of my own project cars and the occasional 7th gen GTS). Sometimes even if you're willing to throw down a lot of money, the basic engine design simply limits the engines ability to produce power. In the 5SFE's case, I don't blame the head as much as I would blame the poor rod/stroke ratio. I highly doubt a 5SFE can ever touch 160+ whp without a TOTAL makeover and mechanical changes to the rods, pistons, and the stroke value... and then throw on a headswap, and custom parts, you're looking at more than the price of a fast brand new car.

Anyway... shouldn't you be racing less and concentrating your efforts on your Getrag RWD conversion? I thought you were out to prove all of the doubters wrong...

And to add... our shop's truck (2001 Ford Superduty 7.3 turbo diesel) with Banks turbo upgrades (chip, exhaust, few other nic knacks), runs consistant mid 14 second passes with street tires. 700+ ft lbs of torque off idle is nothing to laugh at...




This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Jul 14, 2005 - 1:25 PM

[darksecret]

I wasn't laughing at the Diesel, we got a couple of thousand horsepower trucks in Charlotte that run consistant low 7's in the 1/8th (not bad for 8,000lbs.), i'm going to try and get a dyno run in this weekend, if my pay is well enough, who knows I might only make 115whp, but it's kind of odd that I can run with that Jetta in my other post and yes I know the 2.0 in it came with crappier numbers than the ST but the guy has a lot done and is confident enough to say he's putting around 130whp and the weight of the two cars are within 200 lbs. of eachother.
BTW I asked the guy who owned the Civic, it's a 1.6 VTEC with a built bottom end, full exhaust, obviously from the pics an AEM cold air and minor head work, and the body was lightend to around 2,400lbs. by replacing most of the body panels, stripping a lot of the interior, and taking out most of the unecessary stuff (i.e. race battery was added, A/C, aftermarket radiator 12x16 I think, etc.) and believe me the guys a good driver (nevermind the e-brake thing he was just being stupid then). As far as the conversion as I said before $$$, I got everything else figured out as far as I could, it's getting done but when most of my $800 a week is going to support my family (18 year old brother, 47 year old uncle, and his 12 year old son), it's a little hard, it's alright their getting cut off soon because my uncle makes as much as me and my brother is making $10 an hour spot welding and they've been riding my income for months and blowing theirs on beer, weed, and other crap.

[Coomer]

I think those people out there that you race are probably just like you. They assume they have these horsepower numbers, but they're just assumptions with no proof. They're probably not pushing as much horsepower as the owners claim(and maybe lying about their mods), and that's why you're beating them or whatever.

[darksecret]

IDK, I got one member on this forum that can say that the Civic I ran was pretty quick, he's pretty much the only other person here that knows the driver. The only car I know for sure was the Cobalt SS, he dyno'd 237whp, and at 60 mph he pulled away from me, I knew I would lose, but I didn't lose as bad as I thought. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of BS'ers around her, but they are the people who usually end up on Franklin in Gastonia.

[Kwanza26]

I wasn't laughing at the Diesel, we got a couple of thousand horsepower trucks in Charlotte that run consistant low 7's in the 1/8th (not bad for 8,000lbs.), i'm going to try and get a dyno run in this weekend, if my pay is well enough, who knows I might only make 115whp, but it's kind of odd that I can run with that Jetta in my other post and yes I know the 2.0 in it came with crappier numbers than the ST but the guy has a lot done and is confident enough to say he's putting around 130whp and the weight of the two cars are within 200 lbs. of eachother.

I wasn't implying that you're laughing at the diesel... I was just giving an example of a decently quick diesel.

BTW I asked the guy who owned the Civic, it's a 1.6 VTEC with a built bottom end, full exhaust, obviously from the pics an AEM cold air and minor head work, and the body was lightend to around 2,400lbs. by replacing most of the body panels, stripping a lot of the interior, and taking out most of the unecessary stuff (i.e. race battery was added, A/C, aftermarket radiator 12x16 I think, etc.) and believe me the guys a good driver (nevermind the e-brake thing he was just being stupid then).

And you believe him because this guy speaks the HONEST truth huh? Trust me dude... he doesn't have anything built. At best, he stripped the interior and is running basic bolt-ons. When I talk about building the bottom-end... I'm talking about pistons, rods, rod bearings, reinforced crank girdle, performance oil pump, etc.




Nothing against the guy... but a so-called "built" D16... who cares. At best, that motor can manage 140-150 whp fully built n/a (pistons, cam, headwork, ITBs, ECU tuning, etc)... That's nothing to laugh at, considering the engine, but it's not all that impressive either (btw, 140-150 whp in a typical 2 door Civic is nearly a 14 second car). Like I usually say, people have different ideas on speed, but until you race an import 4 banger that is really fast... you won't understand. People talk and talk... that's all they do. Especially around the guys, people talk. I'd prefer to just put up and shut up. As the old proverb goes, you have two eyes, two ears, and one mouth. See twice, listen twice, and speak once. Actions always speak louder than words.

Oh, be sure to get a print out of your dyno. It'll really kill the spirit if all you come back with is word of mouth.

[darksecret]

Like I said he claims to have a built bottom end, all I go off of is what the people at the races say, I was asked to run him and I asked what did he have, they said a VTEC, I didn't bother asking what kind prior to the race, we ran and he got me by half a car, probably because I hit a puddle when I went to line up IDK, we came back and it was close, and everyone said I won.
See I always see people on here hold the Honda above all, wow I got beat by one car length in fourth by a 170whp LS/VTEC Civic the 5SFE does really suck. Like I said my Celi has never been dyno'd and never run on the track, so I base it off of cars I run, the MX-6 is a 170 hp 2800lbs. car stock (the one I ran had an exhaust that I know of), and I was pulling on it until I missed fourth and believe me the guy was being serious, it's just that every time someone hears of the Celica beating a reasonably powered car (Civic Si, Probe GT, etc.) they flip out and call BS, I don't bring much but you people know I do when I can get it. Either way I hope I only pull 115 at the wheels, then I can laugh my a** off when the 160hp VTEC I just beat can't believe he just got out run by such a weak motor.

[darksecret]

I need you to verify this Kwanza, did the D16 ever say VTEC across the valve cover, I remember that part and my ex-girlfriend had an 8JY or whatever ('97 D16 coupe) and it didn't say it, but it was a VTEC SOHC.

[Kwanza26]

I need you to verify this Kwanza, did the D16 ever say VTEC across the valve cover, I remember that part and my ex-girlfriend had an 8JY or whatever ('97 D16 coupe) and it didn't say it, but it was a VTEC SOHC.
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They do say VTEC. There are two main versions. One VTEC system has variable cam lift on the intake valves. The other VTEC system is called VTEC-E... which is an economy system that closes one intake valve under low rpm driving ranges (high intake velocity and better fuel economy) and then opens that valve during "vtec" at harder throttle and higher rpms. I believe both simply say "VTEC" on the valve cover. The VTEC-E version makes something like 105 hp while the true VTEC one makes 127 some odd hp.

[darksecret]

I think her car was the VTEC-E version and the valve cover didn't say VTEC, it might have said Honda on the passenger side, the car was a 1997 Civic EX all stock, the VIN engine code was 8JY, I think. The EX rates 127 hp but it still didn't say VTEC, maybe it was the older version of the D16 that said it.