Non-ABS to ABS, Conversion worth it Options

[gamesteristj]

How hard would it be to convert a non abs to abs and if possible can anyone give me a list of things I would need other than cash.
TJ

[Jeremy1210]

i'd say pretty hard, and not worth it

[Digndoug]

not worth it.

[Kwanza26]

ABS sensor, ABS axles, wiring, ABS computer... and some other odds and ends...

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I think it'd be hard, but it might be worth it. I love my abs. Makes hard turning wile braking hard a breeze. Might be work work than it's worth.

[bufferdan]

brake before turning...not while turning

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

brake before turning...not while turning
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I tell you what, we'll put our Celica's against each other. You take out your abs, if you have it. And I'll leave mine in. I may not smoke you at that track, but I know I'll run faster times.

[bufferdan]

I guess so being that you have a GT and i have a ST. But if your breaking in turns then you arent using proper driving techniques in the first place so you never know what might happen Professional Racing doesnt usually use ABS...ABS is a driver aiding system. It doesnt allow you to stop faster..it allows you to stop more controllably (especially in low traction situations such as rain and snow). They had a test on Motor Trend TV once where Mario Andretti actually outstopped a ABS car with a non-ABS car. For the majority of people ABS is a good thing in emergency situations...SPECIALLY people that break WHILE cornering hard For people that race and know how to drive VERY well they usually would like non-ABS...

Read: http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=31203

This post has been edited by bufferdan: Jul 7, 2005 - 4:21 PM

[Kwanza26]

I guess so being that you have a GT and i have a ST.  But if your breaking in turns then you arent using proper driving techniques in the first place so you never know what might happen Professional Racing doesnt usually use ABS...ABS is a driver aiding system.  It doesnt allow you to stop faster..it allows you to stop more controllably (especially in low traction situations such as rain and snow).  They had a test on Motor Trend TV once where Mario Andretti actually outstopped a ABS car with a non-ABS car.  For the majority of people ABS is a good thing in emergency situations...SPECIALLY people that break WHILE cornering hard   For people that race and know how to drive VERY well they usually would like non-ABS...

Read:  http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=31203
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LOL... ouch...

ABS makes a driver with poor braking skills 1/2 way decent. A person who knows how to use ABS to their advantage can enter corners faster, brake later, and handle the corner better... but there isn't much to compare since it's mostly a matter of skill.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I know abs actually makes you slow down slower. Locking brakes will stop you faster. But I know how to use the ABS. If I heal toe into the corner, I can brake later and brake untill the apex of the corner without worrying about brake lock up too much. My heal toe skills aren't really good, but you should see my bow staff skills.

[Galcobar]

Actually, locking your brakes means your transition from rolling friction to sliding friction, and sliding friction on your tires doesn't generate the same kind of heat as can be generated by the sliding friction between your rotor/drum and pads/shoes. It's the transition from kinetic to thermal energy (moving wheel to hot brake) that slows the car. Locking your brakes means you generate less heat, but much more importantly it means you lose all steering.

If jamming your brakes and using your tires to create friction was a more efficient means of stopping than using your brakes to create friciton, it wouldn't take Mario Andretti to beat an ABS car in a stopping contest.

[CheesyLobster]

I don't have ABS and I love it, I definatley feel like I have more control over my car while braking hard. If I do lock up my breaks and skid that would be my fault. ABS in my opinion gives drivers a false sense of security while in reality taking away from the absolute control of the vehicle.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Actually, locking your brakes means your transition from rolling friction to sliding friction, and sliding friction on your tires doesn't generate the same kind of heat as can be generated by the sliding friction between your rotor/drum and pads/shoes. It's the transition from kinetic to thermal energy (moving wheel to hot brake) that slows the car. Locking your brakes means you generate less heat, but much more importantly it means you lose all steering.

If jamming your brakes and using your tires to create friction was a more efficient means of stopping than using your brakes to create friciton, it wouldn't take Mario Andretti to beat an ABS car in a stopping contest.
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If you use non-abs cars properly, you can stop quicker than an ABS car, but you still won't be able to turn wile doing it. Sure, if you just hammer on the brake, ABS will make you stop quicker. If you don't believe me, try it yourself. Esecially in gravel or dirt. A lot of ABS systems really don't work well at all in gravel and dirt. I still love my ABS, but for it's good points.

I don't have ABS and I love it, I definatley feel like I have more control over my car while braking hard. If I do lock up my breaks and skid that would be my fault. ABS in my opinion gives drivers a false sense of security while in reality taking away from the absolute control of the vehicle.
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Traction controle also takes away from drivers control, but it still helps you out. Automatics take away from driver control, but sometimes they're better. In the racing world, it's not about how much control you have, it's about how fast you go. And besides that, if you know how to use things properly, then you are still in complete control.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Jul 10, 2005 - 3:02 PM

[bonzaisushi]

ill take that challenge, i dont have abs.... and love the track

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

ill take that challenge, i dont have abs.... and love the track
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We're pretty even, we might have to set that up sometime.

EDIT: I've got a little on you in the engine side, but I think your springs are going to do more than my strut bars. We'll have to discuss it, but with minor changes, I think we could be closer.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Jul 11, 2005 - 2:25 PM

[blu94gt]

In the racing world, it's not about how much control you have, it's about how fast you go.  And besides that, if you know how to use things properly, then you are still in complete control.
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Which racing world are we talking about here? If you're ever not in control of the car then that's not really going to do much good. Yes a lot of professional racing divisions etc are using more and more computerized traction control, etc but I don't really care for it. IMO it should be the driver in absolute control of the car. I hate driving an automatic because I don't have direct control of the throttle-transmission etc, don't like ABS because I feel that I can stop my car much faster on my own, and don't like traction control because most of the traction control cars I've driven (granted this is just like a standard GM factory control, not some hi-tech racing one) I've been able to correct the car before the traction control.

And I do believe there are still many many professional racing divisions that rely on a lot of car control rather than computer control