3s head on 5s Options

[funnys_tears]

i like to know about 3sge and 3sgte,
which of these two head will give you more power and torqe,
top speed,


new sentence,
i have two head of each one,
i have a 2nd generation 3sge and 2nd 3sgte..
but the 3sge have bigger vavle lifter,
and 3sgte have small vale lifter..
but if i go to 5sgte or 5sge, which one of these head will get me power...

[Punch]

ice23q we need to talk... pm sent

[ice23q]

Tears: i realy dont think it would matter what head you use. If i were you i would work the head by porting it and using bigger valves and stronger springs and larger cams.....

[playr158]

tears if you want a N/A setup use the 3sge head...

the reason i say this is that for an N/A build using the 3sge head you will have the option of ITBs open to you (individual throttle bodies)
maded by TRD, TODA and a few other companies

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 24, 2006 - 11:25 AM

[scothaniel]

Doesn't matter - the heads are basically the same. The exhaust cam in the GE head will have a slightly higher duration then the GTE head, though it not enough to really tell a difference. The rest of the valvetrain is identical. Power output will be identical.

The GE use's top feed injectors, which give you more options (in the US) for upgrades. and the GE's side feed intake manifold is nice - no lean-out on the #2 cylinder. But other then that, its really a toss-up.

This post has been edited by scothaniel: Jul 24, 2006 - 3:22 PM

[playr158]

Doesn't matter - the heads are basically the same. The exhaust cam in the GE head will have a slightly higher duration then the GTE head, though it not enough to really tell a difference. The rest of the valvetrain is identical. Power output will be identical.

The GE use's top feed injectors, which give you more options (in the US) for upgrades. and the GE's side feed intake manifold is nice - no lean-out on the #2 cylinder. But other then that, its really a toss-up.

an RMR intake manifold could solve the sidefeed for the gte head

[Punch]

you can change the fuel rail for top feed injector...
http://www.speed-source.net/

[kAto]

Well done Punch... Its been like a race to the moon..... I still dont
have an intake so im gonna make my own now.....

some pics PLEASE..................

Here is what i have done so far....

Hey Ice im new here but if been reading most of the posts here about the 5sgte. I have wanted to do it for the while and have most the parts, 5s block, 5s crank, 3sgte rods. one thing im trying to figure out is about the pistons. i Know that CP makes 87.5 mm forger 5s pistons with a 3sgte design and my question is will these 5s pistons fit onto the 3sgte rods, or do i need to have them machined? Also about the crank it needs tp be grinded off about .177 to fit the 3sgte rods and griding off that much will weeken the crank alot as i was told by my machine shop teacher. do i need to get the crank cryogeniclly treated so its stonger? if so where can i get that done at?

[Punch]

well ice23q i had to take the motor out the car again gonna go over it one more time got to take the block to the mech shop for some more work. hopfully i can get it done this week...

This post has been edited by Punch: Oct 1, 2006 - 12:18 AM

[ice23q]

Kato you need to have 5s rods and 3sgte pistons...yes they fit....

[kAto]

Kato you need to have 5s rods and 3sgte pistons...yes they fit....

I dont think that the stock 3sgte pistons will work since the bore on the 3sgte is 86 mm and the stock bore on the 5s block is exactly 87.1 mm, and since i need to bore the block i need pistons that are 87.5 mm like the cp pistons. That makes the 3sgte pistons way to small!! I have heard from somewhere that the best way to build a 2.2 turbo stroker is a 5S block, 5S crank bored out to fit 3sgte rods, 3sgte rods and 87.5 mm cp forged pistons. I dont know if thats true but someone here help me out i need the info asap. Also i forgot to mention that the top of the 5s rod is bigger then the 3sgte rods so 3sgte pistons wont fit stock 5s rods, then againe correct me if im wrong.

[ice23q]

i will look at the part numbers for you so you can get what i have..
I used ARGO rods for a 5sfe.. and 3sgte cp pistons.... (might be oversized but ill check the invoice)..
What work are you gonna do to the head..???
What STANDALONE are you gonna use... A piggyback is just NOT gonna cut it i dont think... Also keep in mind the Dyno time to tune this monster. I have had 6 hours dyno time already...

[Punch]

i got a dyno next door so I get all the dyno time i need for a little bit...

[kAto]

i will look at the part numbers for you so you can get what i have..
I used ARGO rods for a 5sfe.. and 3sgte cp pistons.... (might be oversized but ill check the invoice)..
What work are you gonna do to the head..???
What STANDALONE are you gonna use... A piggyback is just NOT gonna cut it i dont think... Also keep in mind the Dyno time to tune this monster. I have had 6 hours dyno time already...

I have no idea about the standalone yet. for know its just the block work. later on when i have more cash ill do the head work, so i have no idea about what needs to be done. all i want is 320 hp at the wheels, just for a daily driver, lol.