Superstrut Suspension, ST202 - ST205 suspention Options

[Edophus]

Edophus any luck finding those pics and vids of you vs the type r? also setting negative camber on the rear wheels is possible right?

Hi Bonzai i've been away for a bit sorry, still not online much at the moment, i'll get round to it eventually, its all on a dvd at the mo, yeah you can set the rear camber, either via an adjustable top mount or i guess you could change the lower arms so there both adjustable rather than just the one at the moment. You can use camber bolts aswell i guess.

[BonzaiCelica]

any luck with those videos??

How will the drop with superstrut coilover suspension look on a celica with 16x7 rims that have +35 offset and are wrapped in 215/45R16 tires. would you be able to drop the ride height on the front superstrut coilover suspension enough to where you could get a 2 finger gap between the tire and the fender without shortening the travel stroke on the coilover and effecting the performance of the coilover??

[Edophus]

any luck with those videos??

How will the drop with superstrut coilover suspension look on a celica with 16x7 rims that have +35 offset and are wrapped in 215/45R16 tires. would you be able to drop the ride height on the front superstrut coilover suspension enough to where you could get a 2 finger gap between the tire and the fender without shortening the travel stroke on the coilover and effecting the performance of the coilover??

haha sorry i keep forgetting about that, i'll get round to it eventually! as for lowering i am not sure its really any different to mcpherson struts when it comes to what you can and cant do with the rideheight, stroke length is the same if i remember right (dont quote me lol) you can get down to that height and it will work but without shortened shocks you might hit the bumpstops quite often on larger bumps and pot holes. If your going for coilovers though i'm not sure why you wouldnt use shortened shocks though.

Couple of pics. Ride height of my ss3 not long after i first got it sitting on lowering springs and stock shocks, was very comfy until you hit a big enough bump or pothole at which point it would thump as it hit a bumpstop, was fine to live with as long as you remembered to tackle speedbumps carefully! the rear was still higher than i wanted but it might have looked better with bigger rims, that was on 205/55/15's


this is it on trd coilovers, which incedently are the same stroke length and spring height whether mac struts or super, no different. never had any problems with hitting the bumpstops, combo of higher spring rate and shorter shock. tyres are 225/45/16's on an 8 inch wide rim.

[BonzaiCelica]

ok thanks for clearing that up! nice pic i see you there with the type r right next to you why the helk did you take off the sideskirts, and rear splitters, so that you wouldnt be more aerodynamic (and you also weigh 100kg more than the type r)

I've come to conclusions that it would be a waste of money to get superstrut suspension up in the front. as much as I wud love to have a complete replica ss-III here in the states it would be almost impossible to source parts to convert my front macphearson to superstrut. Also acquiring the parts needed from japan would cost alot, and since they only last about 60,000 miles before parts on superstrut suspension wear out I would need to buy the bushings etc...

I also heard that you wouldnt be able to notice the difference of double wishbone vs macphearson unless you are on the track using the full potential of tires that have a treadwear of 200 or below. With that said I have no further question's to ask as regards to the Superstrut suspension (hybrid between macphearson and multilink suspension), thanks for all the great infor Edophus

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Aug 10, 2012 - 2:59 AM

[Edophus]

lol i took the skirts off because i needed to seal up and fix the sills a little, the sideskirts hadnt been sealed properly and water was getting into the body and it was rusting form the inside out, which was why i eventually broke the car up anyway, i never bothered putting them back on and just sold them. The type R next to it i did a lot of work on that, until it tore a hole in the suspension tower the two guys there are two type r owners who joked that my celica was really a bloated ukdm integra type r

I would agree and not advocate the cost of upgrading to superstruts, not unless you could pick up all the parts needed from someone who had taken in a st205 front clip for the engine, then it could work out a nice upgrade with the brakes etc. coilovers dont need to be expensive either you can make them up from inserts like the BC coils or just diy versions, there are ways and means, but not much off the shelf, off the shelf i'd take the trd's over the tien coilovers any day though. A good macpherson strut though will be a lot cheaper and less hassle, and still really good once setup correctly.

I would disagree however with the opinion that you wouldnt notice the difference between double wishbones and macpherson struts unless on track, that is the kind of opinion of someone who has never tried or lived with them all there is a lot of differences, but i did not make a video to demonstrate them unfortunatly one of the major ones, aside from the better geometry, is there is no wheelhop or torque steer, you can get this on both mac strut and doublewishbone setups, i think its something to do with the way the superstrut transmits its load into the body, also there is no rubber bushes up front once you swap to pillowball topmounts, so feedback and stability are exceptional. I think its relevant and important to remember the improvements that have been brought with cars like the renault megane 260r /clio 200 cup and the ford focus RS, all of these cars are the current highest rated front wheel drive cars, with between 200 and 300 plus bhp, they cope remarkably well with there power without suffering horrendous torque steer, this is because they use offset steering axis suspension setups up front, that is one of the benefits that superstrut also has, although superstrut go's further with its geometry for greater improvements, those cars are everyday cars aswell they dont need a track to show there benefits , the focus rs is particularly rated for its ability to handle its grunt.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Sep 6, 2010 - 3:40 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

no no no edophus I totally know that there would be a major difference between the double wishbone and the macphearson. re read my previous post. I was saying that you wouldnt notice the difference between the double wishbone and macphearson if you were on the streets or the canyon roads.

Oo also another favor can you share some of your knowlegdge in the tein ss coilover thread that I just posted about and take a look at rusty's ss-II progress thread i also posted their as well, A few more answers to all my questions that will complete my research on coilovers for our cars. and as you can see the superstrut and this revo knuckle found on the focus rs are very similar...




Also take a look at this website http://www.greenline.jp/catalogue/bccatpar...gory=suspension

as you can see their are two different types of trd strut mounts, one says for superstrut and the other for macphearson, I all stock strut mounts fit both superstrut and macphearson suspension systems??????

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 21, 2013 - 12:58 AM

[Edophus]

no no no edophus I totally know that there would be a major difference between the double wishbone and the macphearson. re read my previous post. I was saying that you wouldnt notice the difference between the double wishbone and macphearson if you were on the streets or the canyon roads.

yeah but is anyone really aware of the design of the suspension in the car there driving, all anyone cares about really is if its good or not! most people would not be able to attribute any handling traits to a parcticular function of the suspension, but that does not mean there isnt a noticible difference, i drove both a mac strut celica and superstrut celica back to back most days for a year or so, normal commuting and there is a noticible difference between them in daily driving particularly with turn in, and pulling out of junctions where your not pulling away in a straight line, this is exagerated in wet conditions particularly.

[BonzaiCelica]

yup yup I just want to get the most potential out of the Celica. and the Superstrut will allow this.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 26, 2013 - 11:32 PM

[Tony-B]

Are those Advan RC's? I've just bought a set of those.

[Edophus]

yup and there also for sale if you know of anyone interested, optional with part worn r888's :

[BonzaiCelica]

yea your celica does look like a bloated integra in that picture, it must be the spoiler and the fact that it doesn't have the sideskirts and rear splitters.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Mar 4, 2013 - 12:26 AM

[nsxtypeR]

The parts that wear out are the camber control link and the lower arm no.1

http://www.cheaptoyotaparts.co.uk/index.ph...8&Itemid=71

camber control link: toyota part number: 48066-20060
Lower arm no.1: toyota part number: right 48605-29015 / left 48606-29015

[BonzaiCelica]

The parts that wear out are the camber control link and the lower arm no.1

http://www.cheaptoyotaparts.co.uk/index.ph...8&Itemid=71

camber control link: toyota part number: 48066-20060
Lower arm no.1: toyota part number: right 48605-29015 / left 48606-29015

muhaha haha ha a.... at $1000 for replacement parts, damn this celica business is expensive

[BonzaiCelica]

so how would I go about getting alignment for the Superstrut over here in California. Do you think any shops even know how to do alignment once I fit the coilovers on with the drop and all???

What is the difference between TRD and Tein SuperStrut Coilovers. They look the same to me, both are green, although the shades of green might be a little different.

[Rusty]

one is expensive, the other is discontinued.

[BonzaiCelica]

one is expensive, the other is discontinued.

if I were to buy those TRD Superstrut coilovers off RPM Garage would I be able to send them to Tein for them to be rebuilt, or do I have to send it to TRD Japan. It says that the rear right is in bad condition and would cost $280 to rebuild. Are those TRD's better than the Tein??

[3WayStunna]

From what i understand, TRD and TEIN coilovers are one in the same. Maybe why they are priced somewhat the same.
Oh and bonzaicelica, with my current setup, yes teins with the c-one bars (front sway/strut bar-rear strut bar) is bueatiful yo.

This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Sep 23, 2010 - 7:37 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

From what i understand, TRD and TEIN coilovers are one in the same. Maybe why they are priced somewhat the same.
Oh and bonzaicelica, with my current setup, yes teins with the c-one bars (front sway/strut bar-rear strut bar) is bueatiful yo.

I might envy you now but my dream will come true!!!!

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 25, 2010 - 3:47 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

The parts that wear out are the camber control link and the lower arm no.1

http://www.cheaptoyotaparts.co.uk/index.ph...8&Itemid=71

camber control link: toyota part number: 48066-20060
Lower arm no.1: toyota part number: right 48605-29015 / left 48606-29015

oh wow how the hell do you add items to the shopping cart its driving me nuts!!! and I already registered!!

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 16, 2013 - 8:37 PM

[Edophus]

tien and trd are not the same, the trd coilovers use specific kyb inserts, they aren't rebuildable they simply replace the insert, thats why i like trd's there sealed units that will last just as long if not longer than stock struts if treated the same!. the replacement insert's part number can be had from the trd website, just about any garage should be able to replace the insert. Also the dimensions and specs are there so you can replace it with another shock of similar spec.

i'm a bit confused bonzai are you getting superstrut or you buying superstreet teins going by the other thread