Superstrut Suspension, ST202 - ST205 suspention Options

[Edophus]

Uk for me, my ss3 was already in the country, i like the st205 but it doesnt interest me so much, it felt quite heavy and planted, the ss3 was very lively and sharp, and it was easy to drive at 100% and i wasnt worried about pushing it too hard or things going wrong so it made a lot of sense to me the lack of 4wd was never an issue as i never ran out of grip and the car was faster than a gt4 on track, less to worry about and so on, not saying its better in any way, just rather it suited my needs and pocket better.

see here for lsd questions
http://trdparts.jp/english/parts_lsd_mechanical.html

[Rusty]

you mean this part?

Includes helycal L.S.D. model

[Edophus]

you mean this part?

Includes helycal L.S.D. model

yeah on superstrut models was an e56 gearbox with viscous lsd up to august 95, then it became an s54 gearbox with helical lsd.

[BonzaiCelica]

hmm good stuff edophus! the only way to get my hands on a Superstrut suspension would be off an engine swap that came with the whole front clip! although most places never sell you the front brakes or the suspension, why is that?

what are the available superstrut coilover kits for the celica? tein i know for a fact they make them, http://www.nengun.com/tein/super-street omg why SO much!!!

and then I found these http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/performanc...nsion/Coilovers


This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 26, 2013 - 12:26 AM

[Rusty]

Stickies are your friend

[Euphoria]

hmm good stuff edophus! the only way to get my hands on a Superstrut suspension would be off an engine swap that came with the whole front clip! although most places never sell you the front brakes or the suspension, why is that?

what are the available superstrut coilover kits for the celica? tein i know for a fact they make them, http://www.nengun.com/tein/super-street omg why SO much!!!

J-Speed coilovers kits for the ST202 and ST205 what the hell. and i thought teins were alot!! http://www.rhdjapan.com/j-speed-type-h-coi...per-strut-56463

and then I found these http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/performanc...nsion/Coilovers

how about C-One and JIC superstrut kits, dont make them?

I know the rest of the guys are saying how great superstrut is and im sure it is, but I think an LSD would be a bigger improvement, if you want the best out of your ST put an LSD in it along with an engine swap converting macpherson to super strut would be pain and not to mention getting the rear would be very difficult.

coilovers, sway bars, sticky tyres and an LSD would give most front wheel drive hondas a good run

[delusionz]

you mean this part?

Includes helycal L.S.D. model

Interesting but dubious about that one.

Except below model 93.10-99.9 3S-FE, 3S-GE Includes helycal L.S.D. model


Super strut suspension model
equipped with viscous L.S.D. 93.10-95.8 3S-GE 41301-SW211 F Discontinued For vehicle with viscous L.S.D.

[Rusty]

Except below model 93.10-99.9 3S-FE, 3S-GE Includes helycal L.S.D. model

this refers to the S54 group so can be both McPhearson strut (found in all models SS-I & SS-II) and superstrut (refers to the SS-III when it came into production, not the SS-II super strut)

Super strut suspension model
equipped with viscous L.S.D. 93.10-95.8 3S-GE 41301-SW211 F Discontinued For vehicle with viscous L.S.D.

refers to the SS-II superstrut ('93- '95 only) equiped with the E56-04C

This post has been edited by Rusty: Jun 23, 2011 - 7:18 PM

[Euphoria]

is super strut even in the rear?

rear suspension that looks pretty identical to the macpherson in an st204!

This post has been edited by Euphoria: Mar 21, 2010 - 11:28 PM

[delusionz]

The absorber assys have different part numbers. Possibly some stiffer shocks or springs?

[Euphoria]

Yeah Id say almost definitely stiffer springs/shocks, so ST204's wouldn't be THAT hard to convert to super strut by picking up a beams half cut.

[Edophus]

hmm good stuff edophus! the only way to get my hands on a Superstrut suspension would be off an engine swap that came with the whole front clip! although most places never sell you the front brakes or the suspension, why is that?

what are the available superstrut coilover kits for the celica? tein i know for a fact they make them, http://www.nengun.com/tein/super-street omg why SO much!!!

J-Speed coilovers kits for the ST202 and ST205 what the hell. and i thought teins were alot!! http://www.rhdjapan.com/j-speed-type-h-coi...per-strut-56463

and then I found these http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/performanc...nsion/Coilovers

how about C-One and JIC superstrut kits, dont make them?

i think they dont sell you the struts and brakes because i think those parts will sell fairly well seperate, not really sure though. For coilovers i only used the TRD coilovers, there shortened and use KYB inserts so very tough and oem quality. I imported them from japan auctions, quite expensive, but i trust TRD stuff, not sure about other brands. If i can get superstrut fitted to my gen 5 then i will hopefully go with custom shocks, theres really no different between the macstrut/superstrut in terms of fitting up custom coillovers so thats an option, it will cost me about the same as importing another set of trd coilovers but will give me both rebound and bound adjustement. for example the TRD coilovers for both superstrut/mac strut use the same shocks, with same overall body length and stroke length, and use the same springs.

delusionz i can see your not convinced about the helical lsd but they did come with the helica after 95, i sold my ss3 gearbox and its since been opened and confirmed as having the helical diff, also the helical diff that comes in the later mk3 mr2, or spyder as its called some places is the same diff and can be retrofitted into s54 gearboxes as long as you use the bearings from the s54.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Mar 27, 2010 - 4:55 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

pointless post also to the one below me

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 26, 2013 - 11:25 PM

[WALKER]

do they have polyurethane bushings for the superstrut suspension.

Yes there is a guy in Poland that sells them on Ebay.

[BonzaiCelica]

ya man those are for the rear suspension, it clearly says it in the heading.

So the main problem with Superstrut suspension is the tendency for the bushing to wear out quickly. Is that why they are high maintenance suspension?

[WALKER]

ya man those are for the rear suspension, it clearly says it in the heading.

So the main problem with Superstrut suspension is the tendency for the bushing to wear out quickly. Is that why they are high maintenance suspension?

Oh ya, I was rushing when I posted that. I thought he had a set for the fronts at one time though. I don't see them on there now.

[Edophus]

do they have polyurethane bushings for the superstrut suspension.

poly bushes is something that i wouldnt use anyway but no superstrut doesnt have any where that would warrent a polybush, its all balljoints and spherical bearings up there.

[BonzaiCelica]

oh ok, I get it it doesnt have any bushings on the superstrut ok I see, ya it looks like it by the pics in the first post. So why is it a high maintanence suspension system? or does that only apply to the gt-4 when it used the superstrut for rallying competition and WRC???

[delusionz]

I've read somewhere on the forums that the rear struts from a Superstrut ST202 wont mate up to any of the components from a Non-Superstrut ST202/204, you need everything from the rear, Likewise with the ST205.

As for the fronts, It's obvious you need all the steering components and EVERYTHING, If you got an SS-III front clip with everything then your whole engine bay from left wheel to right wheel would be completely gutted and replaced with ALL of the SS-III parts and it would line up to take the swap.

3S-GE, Superstrut & LSD is an awesome combination when going from not having it to having it as all the bad cornering characteristics about a FWD sports car just disappear. Just keep in mind, good tyres is always just as important. When I went from high performance tyres to budget tyres on the SS-III there was alot of understeer that just appeared out of nowhere.


On a side note: I think after owning an SS-III and a GT-Four, I will never go back to FWD, there's no fun when you can't do anything with your rear like kicking the ass out and helecopters and 4WD drifts

[BonzaiCelica]

ok so you still haven't answered my question, why is the superstrut supension such high maintenance? this only applied to a gt-4 celica, becuase it occasionally see's snow or dirt.

but for an SS-III, the superstrut is just as durable as the macpherson strut suspension if used for street and track driving only?