Do you like Bush?, After everything thats happened Options

[97lestyousay]

wanna know what i hate?

these dumb ass threads.




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[Supersprynt]

Seperation of Church and State is not in the constitution and isn't part of the foundation of this country... Congress decided to dream that saying up to take God out of schools and the government... I think the country and world would be a much better place if we weren't turning from our Creator...
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No, your incorrect. The words "seperation of church & state" arent in the Constitution, but that doesnt mean that its not in there. Let me elaborate. That phrase, is not in the constitution, however, nobody is saying that it is. That phrase refers to the First Amendment which states that government shall pass NO laws which recognize a religion or prohibit one either. What does this mean? This means that government has no business with religion. Religion is a personal choice, and the gov't has no right to tell you what you are to beleive. At the same time, the gov't is what funds public schools, and anything elsel that is public. So this means that religion, which has nothing to do with government LEGALLY HAS NO RIGHT TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF ANYTHING THAT IS PART OF THE FEDERAL GOV'T. If you want your children to be taught religion, you enroll them in a private school, not a public one. Anything having to do with government funding CONSTITUTIONALLY has no association with religion. Plain and simple.

This is a common tool used by people like you to defend what they think is a science, and should be taught. No. Religion, which is NOT a science, should not be taught in schools. IMO religion is a private matter, taught in ones own home, and is not to be used in political decisions and policies. This is one reason why the world is screwed up, because people make decisions based on something that doesnt exist.

Now you think the world would be a better place if everyone thought the same thing, believed in the same thing and worshipped the same mythical being as you do. I think thats pretty sick, in fact, thats cult sick. Theres no way in hell i'd ever believe in a god who allows this planet of people to operate the way it does. You say everything has a reason, well you cannot in a million years justify what this planet and billions of innocent people have endured.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Sep 9, 2005 - 12:25 AM

[97lestyousay]

I'm drunk, its my birthday could you please stop the God... Anti God crap till my head stops spinning. Karma... my name is Ed . Do good and good things will.. oh hell nevermind.
Edit: Earl my name is Earl, told you I was drunk

This post has been edited by 97lestyousay: Sep 9, 2005 - 10:16 PM

[ILuvMyCelica95]

You are correct that the actual term “spearation of church and state” does not appear in the consitiution but it derives from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. The separation of church and state is governed by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendemnt to the Consitiutions. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" I don’t think religion has any place in the government at all, or in schools. Here’s something to think about, when you go to court and take the stand as a witness you swear on the bible. What about other religions? Say a muslim is called to take the stand, even if they do swear on the bible it holds no meaning to them because they don’t believe in it. Should the courts of the United States keep a copy of all religious material handy? There is no point to it. They can just sign an Affidavit.

The fact is that religion has no place in the government. I’m not saying your not entitled to belive what you belive, but you should also respect other’s beliefs.

This post has been edited by ILuvMyCelica95: Sep 9, 2005 - 12:26 AM

[Supersprynt]

To be quite frank, I'd like to see "in god we trust" taken off currency, the bible out of the courtroom and anything having to to with religion out of any federal building because its hypocritical and unconstitutional.

The government you sit and bash is the same government which allows you to say what you want and worship whatever god you'd like because if you were in another part of the wordl theres no saying what people would do to you for believing what you do. Be happy that you can believe what you want because alot of people were murdered because they didnt believe what you believe today by the people who say they are so Holy.

I'm done talking about this because its ultimatley going no wheres. Jaws your too wrapped up in your beliefs to sit and think and re-evaluate your self and really makes sense. I take pity upon you.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Sep 9, 2005 - 12:30 AM

[mr_dude]

Whoa now, let's lay off the ad hominem remarks. It causes people to complain (and thusly sidetrack the discussion).

Separation of church and state is in the Consititution and derived from philosophies from the times of Plato to Hobbes. But at the same time, (Jesuit, Buddhist, etc.) monasteries work pretty darn well. Fundamentalism isn't an inherent evil, so long as the citizens live in that society of their own free will.

I think the country and world would be a much better place if we weren't turning from our Creator...

This can be taken many ways (see the above rants). I think your intent is good, but your implications are a bit hazy.

[darksecret]

You know Michael Moore was sued over F 9-11 because he took newpaper head lines and stories and photo choped them. I feel sorry for anyone who actually believes what he says in his "documentaries".

The major of New Orleans and Governer of LA f'd up. They new days before it hit that the levies would not hold up, yet they did not call a mandatory evacuation which is what they should have done. And yea the relief efforts were F'd up to, but look at all the stupid morons that won't leave, and can't fend for themselves, not talking about the old or sick ppl.
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Go to his website and you'll find out where to find those "photochoped" documents, usually from the Washington Post, NYT, or CNN guess they're in on his propoganda also (at least he didn't hire an actress to do it all *cough* social security report). For those who think he couldn't do anything know nothing of the chain of command, in certain times of crisis the president can supercede all and give direct action unless congress decides to step in, this is enough to become a national crisis and Bush had the authority to send help at any time. IMO I would have at the very least dispatched a Marine Reserve unit (in which even Congress or any other part of the government can't control that, Marines are directly ordered by the president without approval from anyone). As far as people not leaving, hey you miss the boat then you had your chance for help and refused, that means the government did their part.

[darksecret]

RJB your facts are wrong, like most people who are defending Bush and attacking the wrong people.

The levys were known to be inadequate YEARS before, not days. And they requested $20 billion dollars to fix and upgrade the levys. Bush granted them 3 billion, congress upped that to 5 or so. They were not granted enough money to do what they knew needed to be done. What happened in LA was already predicted years ago and even the Discovery channel predicted and made a show about what would happen and still nothing was done. You cant blame the govenor because they asked and asked for help and were given nothing. So you can thank your buddy Bush for his compassion in this tragic mistake.

Get your facts straight. They DID order an mandatory evac.
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I think I watched that, it was super structures or something.

[Consynx]

politics suck
each state should have their own mini-president
then i might know something about politics.

[darksecret]

They do, it's called a govenor, lol.

[Consynx]

nooo, i want someone who can do w/e he wants

he can launch a nuke if it's in his state!

[mr_dude]

That was called the Confederacy. We tried it. It didn't last very long.

Still, as a snobby Californian, sounds like a good plan. As long as our governor doesn't get promoted to president.

Oh, and politics are important. If you don't know anything about politics you're liable to be trounced upon by the economic elite. That would be a suboptimal situation.

[LewFX]

ppl who hate bush are ignorant uranuses.

[darksecret]

Well then I guess that makes you the minority in this country then does it, approval has been below 50% and it's dropping like internet stocks.
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

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[Benevolence]

ppl who hate bush are ignorant uranuses.
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such an open minded statement!

[Consynx]

economic elite?

sounds sexy. I they're all women.

[blu94gt]

What I don't understand is as I'm reading the paper today, one article is saying how there's not enough funding going towards the New Orleans relief etc etc, next article is how we may dump billions of dollars into a war effort to help some other country that I can't even remember the name of. WTF. Honestly, I hate the whole "America is the world's police force" thing. It's so stupid, we dump money and all kinds of stuff into foreign war efforts that have no direct threat or connection to our country's well being, while things like hurricane katrina, etc are happening here at home and little is being done about it. Honestly, if I could afford it I would probably move out of the United States. To me it's beyond which dummy we have as a president, it's our country's general standing towards world views and even our own country's issues.

For example, the separation of church and state deal. Yes I'm a Christian, and agree that religious matter should be left out of politics, but some people take it too far. The separation of church and state issue has led on to the country appeasing any minority party's claim or complaint and ignoring the majority population. I couldn't get a college scholarship anywhere I went, even though in high school I had a 3.9 GPA, was very involved, scored a 30 on my ACT, etc, but a black guy who never did his homework, cut class, and honestly didn't care if he went to college or not got a full ride scholarship. My sister's friend is like 1/16 native american, doesn't have a clue about her heritage, and gets grants to go to college wherever she wants for free.

Geh, I guess I'm just not patriotic.

[jojobombiest]

ppl who hate bush are ignorant uranuses.
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the vote pwns you 32-15.

[LewFX]

well its not my fault that you young'ems care only about yourself and listen to the democratic way. call me old fashion then.

[SoundSlut_dotcom]

we send troops and extra relief in there to get shot at? LOL and then people complain.....