 GT2 vs 3000GT, Who wins? |
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 May 5, 2003 - 1:20 PM
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 You're a little too late for that. I had to find out the hard way.
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May 5, 2003 - 11:26 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I guess it's sorta like a 3rd gen RX-7. They were hella fun until about 60k miles. But what a bad azz 60k miles...
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May 6, 2003 - 5:36 AM
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yes, so "made up" perfectly describes it. |
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May 12, 2004 - 11:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
this is a funny thread with tons of misinformation....anyways, i wonder how this race went? What are some times that the gt-2 and gt-4's are running?
Base/SL 3000GT's Weight = 3200lbs for Base models....3300lbs for SL models 91-93 3000GT's are DOHC 222hp 94-96 are all DOHC 218HP (Emissions) 97-99 they either had a SOHC 160hp or 218hp DOHC VR-4's Weight= 3800lbs 91-93 are 300hp (Free boost mod =320hp) 94-99 are 320hp VR-4's are capable of running into the 12's virtually STOCK Non-turbo DOHC 5spds usually run high 15's to high 14's depending on conditions. I ran a 15.4 at 91mph with my stock 3000GT on bad clutch and plugs/wires. Im pretty sure i could bust a 14.9 today with my bigger tires on the front and running properly. --------------------  |
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May 13, 2004 - 12:06 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH  Celica "HYBRIDS" are very light and powerful cars... the 3000GT/GTO/Stealth (lol you cant call it a 3000GT, thats a supra, and you cant call it a GTO cuz thats a pontiac... so i guess they are all just god damn DSM stealths lol) has an average power motor for its size, is extremely body-heavy, and has sluggesh steering response, and so ive heard not good drivetrains... you can come to your own conclusions 
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May 13, 2004 - 12:12 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
This is my conclusion
 I own one...they are decently powered cars and the vr-4's are very fast and can haul that almost 4000lb butt. Nothing looks as pretty either  A GT-2 celica probably will not run very fast times...try keeping that little light front end on the ground during a launch. -------------------- |
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May 13, 2004 - 12:13 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
3000GT's and stealth's are not DSM's either... The steering on mine is tighter than mr-2's i have driven and also celica's.
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May 13, 2004 - 12:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
news to me, i was almost positive they were built at the DSM plant...
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May 13, 2004 - 12:34 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
all DSM cars were sold only in america. the 3000gt was available in japan. the stealths may have been finalized in america tho, im not to sure on that. BTW, why was this post brought back from the dead? -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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May 13, 2004 - 2:06 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
After I get my front fixed (the body shop said they'll have room for me in 3 weeks), I'll go FINALLY take my car to the tracks... I'll run her with stock boost, 15 lbs, and 18lbs and let you all know wassup...
I still need to program the speed map feature in my EBC. |
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May 13, 2004 - 9:06 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Cause nobody ever said who won the race... And...there is too much wrong information in here. 3000GT's and stealths arent that slow considering this is a CELICA board The SOHC 3000GT's and stealths would be a good race for a GT celica. A DOHC will absolutly destroy any N/A 6gc.
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May 13, 2004 - 11:02 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From San Juan, PR Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
3000GTs are heavy, even the NA ones. The day I took mine to the dyno and it laid down 454.5 RWHP and 461.6 RWTQ, the next car only dynoed like 168.x RWHP and 171.x RWTQ ...and what it was? a 3000GT SL.
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May 13, 2004 - 11:24 AM
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You lost to an SRT4 with your 3s swap?? The SRT4 has 230hp w/250lbs torque. The 250 is where u get stomped. But also they weigh 2900lbs. 0-60 @ 5.9s and 1/4 mile @ 14.5s. Compare that to a 3sgte Celica. My GT is around 2700lbs w/225 stock hp. Turn the boost up easily to 235-240. Seems like a good race to me? -------------------- |
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May 13, 2004 - 11:26 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '04 From Newport, RI Currently Offline Reputation: 63 (99%) |
bufferdan is right, and thanks for providing some real info
Have any others here besides bufferdan ever driven a 3KGT or a Stealth ? I have. For a few years. I had a 93 Stealth ES (n/a) and it would easily take a celica GT. Yes they weigh alot (especially VR-4s with the AWD) and the trannys are crap if they are consistantly pushed too hard.But, what is the weight difference between a ST, GT, and a GT4 ? It looks like you guys are comparing a lower model 3K to a GT4. Put a GT4 (or GT2) and a VR-4 side by side and have it out. This is something we would all love to see. Whoever beats who would be the final answer. If anyone wants to post on 3Si.org to set this up I am sure they would be more than willing. my $.02 -------------------- |
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May 13, 2004 - 12:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
At first I posted the VR4 would own, but tahts outta power figures. My friend has a 93' and I havent run the 3s Celica with the VR4 but i've been in the VR4 while he boosted it up to like 20lbs. Stock its 300hp and boosted that high its like 350 or something. Its a fast car yes, but his tranny is shot. The ST205 i think would most definately stand a chance and own on cornering and stuff. The VR4 has all wheel steer however, but still its not a rally car.
The VR4 just has more power and 4wd so it launches hard with hardly any tire spin. Its just a different level. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 13, 2004 - 12:08 PM -------------------- |
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May 13, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
agreed. the 300GT, 300ZXTT, RX7, and SupraTT all fought it out back in the mid 90's for the ultimate import supercar. The celicas just aren't in the hunt.
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May 13, 2004 - 12:57 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
is it just me, or did anyone else relize this topic is over a year old...
And a CRX can be made to run 9's, so pretty much any tuned car could beat other cars.
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May 13, 2004 - 1:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
LOL... I didn't even notice... because I didn't bother looking at the year. I just looked at the Month and Day. hahahaha It really amazes me how these things get brought back from the grave... do new comers really read EVERY SINGLE thread? LOL. |
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May 13, 2004 - 2:55 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well they are always told to search, lol -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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May 13, 2004 - 2:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
what?? did they make a new 3000gt in the last year
IT really doesnt matter..what matters is the information is wrong and the thread never actually was finished...thats why i brought it up. Anyways..a VR-4 doesnt weigh that much more than any of the other cars in its class..what are TT supra's and 300zx's?? 3600lbs?? Whooppy... Somedrivers weigh almost 300lbs right there A VR-4 running 20psi safely is a very modded vr-4...we are talking around 500 hp or more most likely. OOBE: You cant compare a Forced induction car to a N/A...there are plenty of VR-4's laying down over 400 ALL WHEEL HORSEPOWER. 170hp at the wheels for a N/A is about right..Go dyno a GT celica and see what you get. Not enough to keep with a N/A 3000GT... My g/f knows what i did to her celica GT just up to 50mph I would still rather have a toyota supra over a vr-4 anyday though... supras seem to have better high performance reliability over mitsubishi's. -------------------- |
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