best N/A engine, for toyota Options

[ST-204]

But IMO,
I do think Honda F-20C, B-18C and K-20A engine ar three of the best N/A engines on the market now thou
Especially, S2000's F20c is the best 2 L. 4 cyclinder engine.
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k20 is crazy... man... DC5
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Yes, it really does!
Coz K20 copies all goodness technologies from 2ZZ, it produces more hp than 2ZZ. But anyway, it's 2L engine.

[Kwanza26]

Yes, it really does!
Coz K20 copies all goodness technologies from 2ZZ, it produces more hp than 2ZZ. But anyway, it's 2L engine.
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LOL... if anything... the 2ZZ copied VTEC. K20A is a FAR FAR FAR better engine than a 2ZZ... IMO (much better than an F20C also). That's one strong arse engine. As for the 2ZZ... in terms of strength... I'd say it's OK. Not bad enough to worry... but not super strong as to not worry. I'm not so worried about the bottom-end however, as I am about the head.

As for toyota's best n/a engine... well... 2ZZ is by far the best for street performance. It makes the most power per liter, has the best potential for streetable power, and is newer. The BEAMS are cool and all... but they don't have any significant advantage aside from their displacement. The 4AG's are old school. They're solid engines, but they'll need significant mods to simply be able to hang with the likes of a 2ZZGE or 3SGE. If you're building a street car... 2ZZ is probably the best. If you're building a race engine... nothing will beat the 3SGE's potential...

[FallenHero]

Yes, it really does!
Coz K20 copies all goodness technologies from 2ZZ, it produces more hp than 2ZZ. But anyway, it's 2L engine.
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LOL... if anything... the 2ZZ copied VTEC. K20A is a FAR FAR FAR better engine than a 2ZZ... IMO (much better than an F20C also). That's one strong arse engine. As for the 2ZZ... in terms of strength... I'd say it's OK. Not bad enough to worry... but not super strong as to not worry. I'm not so worried about the bottom-end however, as I am about the head.

As for toyota's best n/a engine... well... 2ZZ is by far the best for street performance. It makes the most power per liter, has the best potential for streetable power, and is newer. The BEAMS are cool and all... but they don't have any significant advantage aside from their displacement. The 4AG's are old school. They're solid engines, but they'll need significant mods to simply be able to hang with the likes of a 2ZZGE or 3SGE. If you're building a street car... 2ZZ is probably the best. If you're building a race engine... nothing will beat the 3SGE's potential...
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What he said

[Hanyo]

who fast is a 6gc with the 2zz swap?

isn't the 6th gen heavier then the 7th?

[jdg371]

the 3.5 v6 (IS350) sounds like a crazy arse N/A motor

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I really like the 2ZZGE alot, its a very fun motor and sounds mean as hell....but its been known to have some problems with the lift bolt breaking on earlier GT-S's. I would say the 4AGE and 3SGE have the upper hand because of their potential and proven durability, but the 2ZZGE is a close third because it was very innovative at the time it was released.

If Toyota would only put a newer improved version with a wider lift range and put it in a Scion or Toyota sport coupe it would be great, but it appears its no longer in Toyotas interest.

[SSJChar]

what are the specs on the 2zz engine? how easy/hard is it to get one into a 6gc gt, and get it working? when i went to go dyno my car, a 7th gen was there too, and he put down... 140hp i think, so around 35 hp more than me. if i ever needed a new engine, i was thinking of either getting a 3sgte, or a beams, but if the 2zz engine is not as expensive, and the swap is easy, might as well.

[jdg371]

I thought the 2ZZ was more expensive than a 2nd gen 3S?

Even if it IS cheaper getting it to work will probably be alot

[bonzaisushi]

Aluminum is for pop cans give me a 3s or 4a

This post has been edited by bonzaisushi: Sep 25, 2005 - 7:26 PM

[Kwanza26]

Aluminum is for pop cans give me a 3s or 4a
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That's a lame reason...

SR20's are aluminum horsepower engines... and they eat boost like candy. Given iron is stronger... but it doesn't really have a distinct advantage besides that, and with modern technology, design and manufacturing advacements, aluminum is VERY strong. Basically all new engines are all aluminum and engines like the K20A, VQ35DE, and even the older Honda B series have all eaten boost with great success...

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Aluminum is for pop cans give me a 3s or 4a
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That's a lame reason...

SR20's are aluminum horsepower engines... and they eat boost like candy. Given iron is stronger... but it doesn't really have a distinct advantage besides that, and with modern technology, design and manufacturing advacements, aluminum is VERY strong. Basically all new engines are all aluminum and engines like the K20A, VQ35DE, and even the older Honda B series have all eaten boost with great success...
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Very true.

[Celica_Fan]

Best engine 3S-GE That sounds mean as when it's revved hard

[recneps]

im gonna pop in here and say 2zz-ge, im biased.

the higest hp 2zz-ge was 245whp, with a stroked motor and 13:1 pistons.

the 2zz is a great motor and i love reving the hell out of it, but the 3sge is nice seeing how you dont have to go into the stratosphere searching for torque/power.

but 105 hp a litre is nice, whats the displacement of the black top 3s-ge, the 220 hp model?


the 4g63 shoudlnt even come into the equation, its very old technology sure 240bhp is great from a 1.6l but it woudl be nothing compared to a equally prepped 2zz-ge.

Tunable VVT is the best thing toyota ever did.

[Shigexile]

Aluminum is for pop cans give me a 3s or 4a
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That's a lame reason...

SR20's are aluminum horsepower engines... and they eat boost like candy. Given iron is stronger... but it doesn't really have a distinct advantage besides that, and with modern technology, design and manufacturing advacements, aluminum is VERY strong. Basically all new engines are all aluminum and engines like the K20A, VQ35DE, and even the older Honda B series have all eaten boost with great success...
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ooo i like the SR20.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

im gonna pop in here and say 2zz-ge, im biased.

the higest hp 2zz-ge was 245whp, with a stroked motor and 13:1 pistons.

the 2zz is a great motor and i love reving the hell out of it, but the 3sge is nice seeing how you dont have to go into the stratosphere searching for torque/power.

but 105 hp a litre is nice, whats the displacement of the black top 3s-ge, the 220 hp model?


the 4g63 shoudlnt even come into the equation, its very old technology sure 240bhp is great from a 1.6l but it woudl be nothing compared to a equally prepped 2zz-ge.

Tunable VVT is the best thing toyota ever did.
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What the **** are you talking about?

[jess_i_74]

If Toyota would only put a newer improved version with a wider lift range and put it in a Scion or Toyota sport coupe it would be great, but it appears its no longer in Toyotas interest.
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Heh. Toyota doesn't seem to know much anymore about sporty cars. I mean, cancelling the Celica, bringing in the ugly Scion xA, B, and C, esp. the first two with their *gasp* 105 horses and styling every bit as bad as the echo. Now the xC does have some speed potential, but it's loaded with luxo options and can't touch a Celica of any vintage for looks.

Oh, offtopic. Sorry.

BTW, the idea of the 190 hp out of 1.8 L is crazy, but it certainly fits the Lotus Elise. As a daily driver I'm sure it feels pedestrian. I like the feel of having an engine's ship come in at about 3-4k.

[ST-204]

If Toyota would only put a newer improved version with a wider lift range and put it in a Scion or Toyota sport coupe it would be great, but it appears its no longer in Toyotas interest.
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Heh. Toyota doesn't seem to know much anymore about sporty cars. I mean, cancelling the Celica, bringing in the ugly Scion xA, B, and C, esp. the first two with their *gasp* 105 horses and styling every bit as bad as the echo. Now the xC does have some speed potential, but it's loaded with luxo options and can't touch a Celica of any vintage for looks.

Oh, offtopic. Sorry.

BTW, the idea of the 190 hp out of 1.8 L is crazy, but it certainly fits the Lotus Elise. As a daily driver I'm sure it feels pedestrian. I like the feel of having an engine's ship come in at about 3-4k.
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"Toyota doesn't seem to know much anymore about sporty cars??"
For real, years ago, Toyota began to join the world's fastest auto race--Formula One. Toyota began to process and make everything for their rides, such as frame, engine, aero, and even small as a screw in their Formula One race car.
I think Toyota is not a stupid to spend so much their technologies and effort for this ****ing long time in this challenge F-1 race world, right?
Let's see, guys. Toyota should be release a super race car at a right time...
On the other hand, so do u think Honda is a sport car specialist?
Yea, Honda's cars ar fast on Street, and even on some division 2 race around the world, such as JGTC GT-300, Super-Taikyu.....
But the reason is can u see any NSX or S2000 can win some division 1 race on the workd, I can tell u the answer is "NEVER!"
Moreover, due to Toyota is the second-largest auto manufacturer in the world, his market goal is for all consumers, so Toyota seems to release more luxury and comfortable cars than sport cars. That's why the reason Honda can't catch up Toyota's sales in the world, and even Toyota's technologies.......

V-tech and i-Vtech ar so good at all, but VVTi and VVTL-i ar kind of more Hi-tech a bit than the former.... Coz the technology on VVTi and VVTL-i ar on both intake sides when it's running, but Honda's V-tech and EVEN i-Vtech ar only on one intake side. So Toyota's race technologies ar directly comeing from their valuable F-1 experience, and even their consumers all over the world......

[Kwanza26]

V-tech and i-Vtech ar so good at all, but VVTi and VVTL-i ar kind of more Hi-tech a bit than the former.... Coz the technology on VVTi and VVTL-i ar on both intake sides when it's running, but Honda's V-tech and EVEN i-Vtech ar only on one intake side. So Toyota's race technologies ar directly comeing from their valuable F-1 experience, and even their consumers all over the world......
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You should just apologize and admit you don't know what you're talking about. You should also work on your grammar and spelling.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

V-tech and i-Vtech ar so good at all, but VVTi and VVTL-i ar kind of more Hi-tech a bit than the former.... Coz the technology on VVTi and VVTL-i ar on both intake sides when it's running, but Honda's V-tech and EVEN i-Vtech ar only on one intake side. So Toyota's race technologies ar directly comeing from their valuable F-1 experience, and even their consumers all over the world......
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You should just apologize and admit you don't know what you're talking about. You should also work on your grammar and spelling.
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lmao. shift_pwned

[Celicaguy13]

When talking about the 3sge beams vs 2zz-ge, all of you are talking about a jdm vs usdm engine. The jdm celica sports M celica has a upgraded 2zz-ge that if I remember correctly is about 200-210 hp. I'm not saying the 3s is bad or the 2zz is better. It's just that the 3s is such a rare engine that we don't really know much about. I cant find any dynos of it. Any 1/4 mile times with it. But IMHO the jdm 2zz and the 3s beams are same in power STOCK.

Any N/A engine can be great but with work. Honda people sometimes annoy me with the whole "honda is the best" because from the factory.... Honda's arnt really that fast. They're fastest car is a S2000 and only hits low 14's to high 13's, but that is a real "fast car" I guess you want to say. Everything else they make is 15.0+ And they're supposively "Super car" the NSX I think can only hit low 13's high 12's???? I dont think it's worth paying 85k on something a slightly modded supra could beat. But this is all just what I think and not trying to state facts.