Hood scoop, ram air, intake. Options

[Paethon]

Ok guys, just wondering if I could get some input. I was thinking about adding a functional hood scoop with ram air to my celi.... Weapon R has a ram air kit for around 85 bucks, although I believe I could make one myself for a fraction of that. As far as money goes, I dont plan on spending any more than it takes to buy the intake + ram kit, scoop, and do the repainting of the hood. Just thought it might be an interesting mod ... whatta ya think?

[NEVERSTOP]

It is a good Idea and will give you alot of gain but don't waste your money on the weapon r one... your right you can make on for a fraction of the cost.... also adding a cold airbox to your list of ideas would be a good idea to that way you can trap some of that cold air and not get water into you system ne more than you have to.

as for scoops and things like that check out this site.
teamprototype

there stuff is good and isn't very expensive

[Guest_Matthew_*]

there stuff is nice

[Mynzeyes]

hey man, hate to break it, but on a celica, GT or ST, you really won't get a hell of a gain from doing somethin like that...it'd be neat, and original, but, as far as HP per $, you're not gonna see anything. you're just as well goin w/ a DYI CAI or short ram...just think of all the money you'd spend on the kit, the hood scoop, the body work, and the paint...then, you'll get like...4-5hp. hehe.
-John-

[NEVERSTOP]

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hey man, hate to break it, but on a celica, GT or ST, you really won't get a hell of a gain from doing somethin like that...it'd be neat, and original, but, as far as HP per $, you're not gonna see anything. you're just as well goin w/ a DYI CAI or short ram...just think of all the money you'd spend on the kit, the hood scoop, the body work, and the paint...then, you'll get like...4-5hp. hehe

Have you ever hooked up a true ram air system???

You will see alot more than 4-5 hp!

Try more like 20-30+hp depending on your application and the brands you use.

edit: and I wouldn't go with a hood scoop... I would use an area on the front bumper...

[boibleu22]

im with john, im sure it wont add anything to ur naturally aspirated car. engine small and weak. now if u had forced induction of some type, i could see it helping a little bit moreso.

-alex

[Paethon]

john and alex, thx for the input...i was definitely throwing the idea around, and it would be pricey to cut my hood apart, and then paint it back up as opposed to just using an area on the front bumper like NEVERSTOP suggests. Any ideas on brands for a good Ram Air kit LOL

[Guest_Jason_*]

CAI > Short Ram

[snadman]

Hey guys, so what is better...a CAI or Short Ram. Whatever youy think on the subject, what is the best CAI? Best Short Ram? Thanks!

Also, if I were to buy one, where should I put the thing to get the most horsepower. I've ehard of people taking on their driver's side high beam and jutting the intake into that hole.

[NEVERSTOP]

I have done the headlight mod... except I did it to both of the brights to keep a symetrical look to my car.... I also have the 3sgte so the extra air doesnt affect it like it would to a N/A 5sfe.... newayz... there are actually 3 different types of air intake systems...


Short aka intake
CAI
Direct-air aka ram-air

Short air intake is just a replacement for ur stock intake... is still a big improvement over stock but not the best choice out of the 3 unless you are going to use a cold air box.

CAI is a longer version of the the short that locates the fliter farther way from the engine.... hense the name COLD air intake... this system will allow more O2 to enter the fuel/oxygen mixture because the air is cooler and more condensed hot O2... this system is okay to use for a cold air box but isn't always the best bet due to usally limited space.

Direct- air... Is one of the Best intake systems there are.... usally custom made. This system locates the filter directly in the path of onecoming air... this air is alot cooler than neother system and also has a forcing affect on the air.... is recommened that you upgrade your fuel injectors if you plan on using this type of system.... The nice thing about this system is that when installed right it will strech your powerband into the higher rpms.... thus more power longer out of each gear... the faster your vehicle goes the more air that is forced into the intake and the faster volicity that the air has....

I would also suggest that if you have an N/A engine... no turbo or charger.. that you should look into different cam shafts if you are going to do a Direct- air system.... you will want cams with more duration than stock... allowing more air per revolution to enter the engine.


Cold Air Box...This is a system that uses Direct-air... indirectly....forced cold air is taken into the engine compartment via a funnel of some type which connects to an alumminum or plexiglass box... at the bottom of this box is drain wholes for excess water. inside of the box is your intake filter... cold air is trapped in the box and then the intake has this air to breath off of instead of the hot engine compartment air..

an old school drag racing trick is to fill the box with Ice right before racing. and if availbe to spray the filter with nitrous oxide.


with any of these systems beside the short system it would be smart to have water bypass valve... this detects water entering the intake system and will shut down it down and draw air from a filter inside the engine compartment.... this is VERY important if you have a Direct or CAI system and drive your car in the winter or rain... even one time can do damage to your engine as water CAN NOT be combusted....I won't go into deatil about this but trust me you do NOT want water in your engine.

I hope this will answer some of your questions about air intake systems... If you have ne other questions feel free to ask.

[rlan214]

QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Dec 20 2002, 11:48 PM)

Try more like 20-30+hp depending on your application and the brands you use.

ummmmm we all wish that happens probably with type R sticker then it might be possibble

[rlan214]

good info on intakes tho