make any car run on water, anyone think it will work? Options

[rocky2006]

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[jgreening]

I heard that an internal combustion engine will run on cat piss. I think I will try this idea right after I collect the liquid waste from my neighbor's kitty and pour that in my gas tank.

[Consynx]

i haven't d/led that
but i did see this jeep thing drive over a lake using these tires that basically were paddle wheels made of rubber...
the paddles were curved to give more of a push up and forward...

it was pretty kewl.
it was on Top Gear.

[macavely]

haven't looked at the link yet... but i know know that the frist cars where steam powered.. and they where every efficent ... so a car running on water is an extreamly old idea..

[jgreening]

haven't looked at the link yet... but i know know that the frist cars where steam powered.. and they where every efficent ... so a car running on water is an extreamly old idea..
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steam powered engines worked because of the HEAT, not because the hot gas is water based.

Water is not combustable fellas. If you could run an engine on water, don't you think the car companies would have made it work by now? Some day hydrogen cars will be here and perhaps they will be able to extract the hydrogen from water. Don't get your hopes up about being able to do it in your back yard with a tin can and a 2x4.

[orvillescelica]

i dont know if you read the pdf, but i just browsed threw it quickly. In a nut shell, their idea is to electrolize water into oxygen and hydrogen, combust the hydrogen at pressure in your cylinders, and there you go.

Heres why i dont think this will work:
1) Have you ever seen a balloon of hydrogen explode? That explosion is how much energy is given off when you combine hydrogen and oxygen to make water. To go in reverse, you need even more energy. So if you want to take water, turn it into gaseous hydrogen, then combust the hydrogen in oxygen to make water again, you will be expending more energy then you get.

2) The energy of hydrogen gas is about 141 kJ/g, Gasoline has about 448 kJ/g. So (wave hand approx) you need 4 times the volume of hydrogen per combusition to get the same amount of power as your gas engine. This for the same amount of miles you get out of your car now, you would have to carry a GIANT tank of hydrogen. And since hydrogen is very hard to store under high pressure... your car is going to have to be giant tank of hydrogen on wheels.

[vangSTa_celica]

i haven't d/led that
but i did see this jeep thing drive over a lake using these tires that basically were paddle wheels made of rubber...
the paddles were curved to give more of a push up and forward...

it was pretty kewl.
it was on Top Gear.

Haha. He means water as a source of fuel, not on top of water.

[soulshadow]

I've seen something like this On T.V like 6-8 years ago on BAYWATCH.

The criminals make a get away in A jeep and the Jeep can go into the water and act like a boat. Basically, you have tires that float and a car that looks like a bathtub. Oh, they got this in Wisconsin Dell too in Wisconsin. They call 'em DUCKS!

[Tweek]

I remember doing that in science class in high school. Don't you use a magnet or tunning fork or something? Anyways, I believe a diesel engine can run on water and coal dust. You'd have to do some research, but back in the day they did it when they were testing out fuels. On the subject of possiblity and why would'nt they do it, is because they make way too much money off gas right now. Besides all those great ideas get bought up by gas companies so you can't make it.

maybe I'm just a consipiricy nut job though. I shoud probably not mention that we never landed on the moon.

PS, this is what the middle of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.

[creis]

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The idea of running a car on Hydrogen is a good one an endless resource basicly.

[orvillescelica]

I've seen something like this On T.V like 6-8 years ago on BAYWATCH.

The criminals make a get away in A jeep and the Jeep can go into the water and act like a boat. Basically, you have tires that float and a car that looks like a bathtub. Oh, they got this in Wisconsin Dell too in Wisconsin. They call 'em DUCKS!


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I remember doing that in science class in high school. Don't you use a magnet or tunning fork or something? Anyways, I believe a diesel engine can run on water and coal dust. You'd have to do some research, but back in the day they did it when they were testing out fuels. On the subject of possiblity and why would'nt they do it, is because they make way too much money off gas right now. Besides all those great ideas get bought up by gas companies so you can't make it.

maybe I'm just a consipiricy nut job though. I shoud probably not mention that we never landed on the moon.
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Is no one else reading this thing? the car is POWERED by water. The link tells you how to convert your gas engine into one that can be powered by water. Not on top of water. Everyone has seen those duck boat tours, or Richard Branson cross the english channel in his car-boat. In addition, you should never ever cite Baywatch as a credible refernce of information.

you can not run a disel engine on coal dust and water. You can run a steam engine that way, as long as the coal dust and water never come in contact with each other. Coal combustion energy release is very very slow, thus the heating of the air and pressurized expansion of the chamber would be too slow. Not to mention that the water would absorb too much of the energy for the coal to even combust in the first place, that is if you can get enough energy using compression to ignite the coal in the first place.

i do think that the oil companies are holding back a lot of technologies to further their yearly income, but energy from water is not one of them. Yes, there are hydrogen fuel cells that combine hydrogen and oxygen to make electricity. But thats not what this pdf is talking about.

and yes, we did land on the moon

[Consynx]

water does not compress
and the amount of energy taken to turn water into steam is not much less than the amount released by doing so


GHEY

[Tweek]

Here's a quote about coal dust and water:
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Dr. Rudolf Diesel actually invented the diesel engine to run on a myriad of fuels including coal dust suspended in water, heavy mineral oil, and, you guessed it, vegetable oil. Dr. Diesel’s first engine experiments were catastrophic failures. But by the time he showed his engine at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1900, his engine was running on 100% peanut oil. Dr. Diesel was visionary.
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and i still think the oil companies have been holding back the tech. But I own stock in em, so it's all good. and we never landed on the moon. It's all a government scam to realotcate money into cold war technology development, and to get the russians to waste more money on it. But I won't hijack the thread with all that.

Coal dust and water though, check it out online.

[bloodrain]

a car running on water, I believe they call them "boats"

[vangSTa_celica]

^ Okay, I really think you guys need to read the file before adding more comments. Its about using water as a source of fuel, not a car that freakin' floats. Sheesh.

[soulshadow]

Ok someone slap me. Diesal explodes when you compress it right? Too lazy to google for it now. Someone just answer me and slap me crazy.

[97sccelica]

after reading some of the pdf i think what is being done is like a demonstration my 9th grad bio teacher showed me

he introduced an electrical current to water that causes it to separate into its basic parts

the water container was U shaped with the electrods on each side, the o2 molecules ended up on one side and the h2 molecules on the other side(because of opposite charges)

so if this system works, and it able to break down water into o2 and h2 gas, then by all means when you inject that into a IC engine it will fire.

problems i see, it wont make the h2 and o2 gasses fast enough, hence why hydrogen cars run hydrogen fuel cells

thats if the "reaction chamber" works.

honestly, if i still had my 81 rx7. i would try this, seems like it would be fun to try and awesome if it worked.

jgreening, this country is practically run by oil companies, why would they let the car companies perfect a fuel source that would kill their business? ever see the show the Munsters? there was an episode where grandpa made a pill that turned water into gasoline. he tried to sell it to a gas/oil company but lost the formula, the company said it was ok since they were just going to destroy the formula anyway since it would ruin the gasoline market. oil companies do their best to suppress alternate fuel supplies.

[jgreening]

jgreening, this country is practically run by oil companies, why would they let the car companies perfect a fuel source that would kill their business?  ever see the show the Munsters?  there was an episode where grandpa made a pill that turned water into gasoline.  he tried to sell it to a gas/oil company but lost the formula, the company said it was ok since they were just going to destroy the formula anyway since it would ruin the gasoline market.  oil companies do their best to suppress alternate fuel supplies.
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Its a good conspiracy theory but not much more. There is enough capital and know-how in this world outside the oil interests to make this happen if we were there technology wise. Can you imagine how much money a start-up company would make if it perfected this technology under patent? The answer is more money than anyone and their entire family tree could spend in ten life times. Someday hydrogen will be routinely used as an energy source including powering automobiles. As a matter of fact, its already being used in southern california in some hondas right now (there are a number of places that actually sell hydrogen for cars in southern california as part of the development of this technology). When the supply is nationwide and when the technology is cheap enough, it (or something else) WILL replace gasoline. We just aren't there yet.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Oct 1, 2005 - 2:40 PM

[tin_foil]

^I agree. I'm no science major, but I have heard, and do believe that we'll be driving cars powed if not by water, something like it, soon. I think the whole "conspiracy" thing is a bit much, but I wouldn't complete discredit the idea of oil companies doing anything in their power to stop research like this........

........and we did land on the moon........

[rocky2006]

i think oil companies are definitly trying to stop other methods of fuel. why? they will lose money. everything is about money. i hope a cheap alternate fuel source comes out soon. i watched a show on tv (i know that doesnt make it true), and they showed all kinds of crap on why we *supposedly* didnt land on the moon.