best N/A engine, for toyota Options

[Hanyo]

What is the best Naturally Aspired engine for toyota?

I hear beams and silver top thrown around. But what is the BEST? Which one has the most power to weight ratio? Most power after modifications?

Is the 7th gen gts engine the best n/a engine toyota offers?

[FallenHero]

Probably is the 2zz for power and reliability. However, the formula atlantic 20v's were animals on the race track.

[orvillescelica]

3sge beams black top, but youll never find one in this country

[ST-204]

Nope, it has one swapped 3S-GE "BEAMS"-blacktop IS300 in Cali, this car was fecking cool with golden color.

[Coomer]

I've heard bad things about the 2ZZ-GE's design and components compared to the 4A-GE and 3S-GE. Isn't it a weaker aluminum block compared to the 4A and 3S iron blocks? I've experienced both a 4A-GE and a 3S-GE in my cars, and the 3S-GE felt torquier, but lacked the high RPM power that I get with my 4A-GE. I've never experienced a later-model 3S-GE or a blacktop 4A-GE though, but both the 4A-GE and 3S-GE are excellent engines.

[Hanyo]

i always thought the beams engine was the best, Because there is no replacement for displacement.

But with its additional displacement, comes additionaly weight. Is this extra displacement good enough to offset the extra weight?

[Dr_Tweak]

i always thought the beams engine was the best, Because there is no replacement for displacement.

But with its additional displacement, comes additionaly weight. Is this extra displacement good enough to offset the extra weight?
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Yeah, I'd say so. If I had to choose an n/a four cylinder, it would be the 3SGE Beams without a doubt.

-Doc

[macavely]

power to weight that has to dowith the chasie and the engine combo .

for what i have read and ther resarch i have done.. it all comes down to how much time and money you are willing to put into the block .. but if you want a good starting point i would go with the 3s ge black top...

[Akimbo]

beams or 2zz...the 2zz ran a 13.7 with I/E/H, I don't know much about either though

[FallenHero]

2zz is whp per ltr.and that 13.7 was with drag slicks I believe.... still impressive though.

You can add a Apexi PFC to the 2zz and consistently run low 14's with no other mods. Throw in the I, E, H, and you are making 180-200 whp NA.

[boosted_K2]

depends what you are talking about... car+motor factory combonation is probably the blacktop 3sge in the celica or the 2zz in the 7th gen celica... but if you are talking swapped... a 1mzfe in a 1st or 2nd gen MR2 is probably the best NA combo for all around... for streightline the V8 swapped 5th gen is probably tops (i think it was using a toyota truck motor wasnt it? or was it a domestic motor?)

[Boss-Celica]

Beams 3s or 20v 4age

[Coomer]

depends what you are talking about... car+motor factory combonation is probably the blacktop 3sge in the celica or the 2zz in the 7th gen celica... but if you are talking swapped... a 1mzfe in a 1st or 2nd gen MR2 is probably the best NA combo for all around... for streightline the V8 swapped 5th gen is probably tops (i think it was using a toyota truck motor wasnt it? or was it a domestic motor?)
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The blacktop BEAMS 3S-GE motor was only found in the Altezza...the Celica got the redtop version.

And yeah, that V8 swapped ST185 used a Tundra V8...wasn't it twin-turbocharged as well?

[95CelicaST]

Beams, no doubt. 4 cylinder with 210HP stock (redtop) is something I would say is pretty damn good.

[Shigexile]

Beams, no doubt. 4 cylinder with 210HP stock (redtop) is something I would say is pretty damn good.
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i thought the black top is 210.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

depends what you are talking about... car+motor factory combonation is probably the blacktop 3sge in the celica or the 2zz in the 7th gen celica... but if you are talking swapped... a 1mzfe in a 1st or 2nd gen MR2 is probably the best NA combo for all around... for streightline the V8 swapped 5th gen is probably tops (i think it was using a toyota truck motor wasnt it? or was it a domestic motor?)
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The blacktop BEAMS 3S-GE motor was only found in the Altezza...the Celica got the redtop version.

And yeah, that V8 swapped ST185 used a Tundra V8...wasn't it twin-turbocharged as well?
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No. The V8 swapped ST185 used a 4.0L V8 from a Lexus LS400. And indeed it was twin-turbocharged.

Back to topic, IMO 4A-GE and 3S-GE are the best. The 2ZZ-GE can be as good but it needs more aftermarket. There still ain't no cams for the damn thing. Highest HP 4A-GE i've seen is the 240HP Formula Atlantic engine. Highest HP 3S-GE i've seen is the 270PS TRD engine. Still waiting on the 2ZZ-GE to come out with similar numbers.

Redtop = 200PS
Blacktop = 210PS

This post has been edited by BLADDER_MASTER: Sep 21, 2005 - 2:46 PM

[pokemeintheeye]

I know everyones talking bout the blacktop Beams, but how much better is a redtop Beams compared to the 3rd generation 3sge? I'd imagine the 3rd generation 3sge should have more aftermarket support cause the redtop Beams was only around for a couple of years. But how much better is it compared to the 3rd generation 3sge?

[ST-204]

But IMO,
I do think Honda F-20C, B-18C and K-20A engine ar three of the best N/A engines on the market now thou
Especially, S2000's F20c is the best 2 L. 4 cyclinder engine.

[Shigexile]

But IMO,
I do think Honda F-20C, B-18C and K-20A engine ar three of the best N/A engines on the market now thou
Especially, S2000's F20c is the best 2 L. 4 cyclinder engine.
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k20 is crazy... man... DC5

[boosted_K2]

yea sorry i meant redtop, not blacktop i was looking at a black crows CD case and was thinking black and meant to say red haha