turbo my 5sfe, just a few questions...yes again Options

[celicaGT96]

ok...before anybody says anything i already searched and didnt quite find what Im looking for.
What i wanted to know is, how did the guys at burien toyota get their 5sfe motor to run at an everyday 14psi.
Im going to go through with turboing my 5sfe, buying parts slowly here and there,but Im reading on and on, and I wanted to know if theres any way to get a bigger turbo, even if it means upgrading internals.
What do I have to do to get the absolute most out of my 5sfe.
Also I dont want to swap to a 3sgte, and for pressure, and all others, did the bigger injectors really make a difference in power(which ones)??

[TheStreetzKing]

port and polished head

[Batman722]

port and polish, forged pistons and rods, and switch to a metal headgasket first off. As for a bigger turbo, a CT27 with the ported wastegate like Manny (presure2) is more than enough for a 5s IMO, but you can always go bigger.
Larger injectors make a huge difference with how much fuel is dumped into the motor, but it all depends on your hp goals. How much hp do you want to get out of your 5s ?

[celicaGT96]

Well I know it nearly impossible but Im thinking 250-300whp.
Thats why Im asking if its possible with proper tuning, without blowing up my engine.
I know pressure got about 200whp, but did he do all that he could or is there different, better alternatives, to achieveing horsepower.
Thanks for your input though

[shin]

if you work on your internals to make it more durable to boost, you might be able to get alil more power with a bigger turbo, even larger injectors, standalone and most important of all, PROPER TUNING.

[presure2]

Well I know it nearly impossible but Im thinking 250-300whp

for that kinda goal, your definetly gonna need:

A: FULL standalone. (unit plus REAL tuning $2000+)
B: a FULLY built motor
C: LOTS of luck for it to hold together.
IMO its REALLY not worth it on the 5s to try for anything more than about 190whp or so...after that..your going into territory thats MUCH better served with the 3sgte.
can it be done? ohh yes. it can.
is it WORTH it? ohh HELL no.
you'll spend 4-5k getting your 5sfte up and running, just to have it blow up in your face.
and dont think for a SECOND that it wont, it WILL. its not a matter of IF, its WHEN.

[RUNNIN-LOW]

true what presure2 said yes if you are looking for that horse power goal you rather just swap motor..but if you just want to beat civic and stuff like that..just go with a ct27 or 26 turbo trust me you wont want more untill you have a different motor. its not always about power..plus youll spend more dressing the 5s then the 3s...and if you do..do the turbo set up make sure you ahve injectors and the right tunning..cool

[pxcr440]

ok this kinda stuff bothers me ,, people allways saying that the 5s is no good to make power , i have heard of people spendign 5 grand to make the 2nd gen 3s work and they are closer to 200 horse well if the 5 s is making that with a turbo only and no internals ort head work whats to say that the 300 horse isnt obtainable with internals and head work , yes the 5s is not designed for power but i think with some port and poilshing it can do allright ,, i my self have been working on the 5s so far havign block bore and honed and fitted with 8.5-1 ross pistons , spent lots of time on the head with porting and smoothing things out , rod of choice are probbly gunna be cryo treated stock with arps , Cant see spending over 600 on rods for a four cylinder,, i personally like doing things differernt the others as far as saying ,,{ hey i wanna go fast , i will just swap like everyone else,,,,,,} not how i look at it , is it more reliable to swap , yes , is it easier,, yes ,, is it original , no ,,,,, ok i will stop its been a bad day , just venting as far as the 5s power makign goes we well see if i dont brake at least 250 then it will all be for nothing ,, but at lest i tried and thats what matters to me and i will still be a far cry from 5000 to get it done

[presure2]

guy you just dont get it.
i HAVE a 5sfte...and one of the better ones on this site i might add.
im not trying to rain on your oarade, just presenting FACTS.
deal with it.

[nik]

ok this kinda stuff bothers me ,, people allways saying that the 5s is no good to make power , i have heard of people spendign 5 grand to make the 2nd gen 3s work and they are closer to 200 horse  well if the 5 s is making that with a turbo  only and no internals ort head work whats to say that the 300 horse isnt obtainable with internals and head work , yes the 5s is not designed for power but i think with some port and poilshing it can do allright ,,   i my self have been working on the 5s so far havign block bore  and honed and fitted with 8.5-1 ross pistons , spent lots of time on the head with porting and smoothing things out , rod of choice are probbly gunna be cryo treated stock  with arps , Cant see spending  over 600 on rods for a four cylinder,, i personally like doing things differernt the others  as far as saying ,,{ hey i wanna go fast , i will just swap like everyone else,,,,,,} not how i look at it , is it more reliable to swap , yes , is it easier,, yes ,, is it original , no ,,,,,    ok i will stop  its been a bad day , just venting as far as the 5s power  makign goes we well see   if i  dont brake at least 250  then it will all be for nothing ,, but at lest i tried and thats what matters to me  and i will still be a far cry from 5000  to get it done
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ok why put all that money into your motor and not buy rods yes they're spendy but well worth it.I spent $700 on just rods for my 7agte and some people look at my project as a big waste of money and time. With how much money i've spent so far the swap would have been a little cheaper and still had money for a few bolt ons. But i chose this path because not many do only one on here is frotou but he did it for show im all for go and some show. Furthermore you will be spending alot more money than you think the little things add up

This post has been edited by nik: Oct 27, 2005 - 4:06 PM

[zipstrips]

you guys remeber back when i was trying to be the brave one and show what the 7a can really do. yea i succeded, and nik saw my kit 1st hand. but it wasnt worth it. screw it. do what works. im having awesome results with my nissans, and now my celica is coming together, wish i only went this route sooner

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

It depends on what you want out of your modifications. If you have modest goals of maybe 160-180 horsepower then you guys would fare well by building a good reliable turbo setup on a very well kept and maintained 5SFE. (search and learn from presure2's posts.) If you want a motor with more potential and RELIABLE power then the 3SGTE is you're best route, period. This is not to say that you couldn't run a turbocharged 5SFE for a long time either because you most certainly could if its tuned right But the 3SGTE is built to meet the requirements of high-horsepower tunings where the 5SFE is meant to get you from point A to point B everyday reliably without the strain of a turbo.

Also, neither is going to be cheap.....if you're considering doing a turbo setup and all your posts in the Forced Induction forum read "looking for Cheap this" and "Cheap that"....please realize that if you want a good setup you need to spend the money for good parts that will work well and last.