Never get into the Modding world, The celi is just not right. Options

[dlx742]

the thing you have to keep in mind when you say your car is "slow" is that there will always be a car that is faster than you. always.

you have to remember, its not always about how fast you can go or if you win or lose. its about the time and commitment you put into your car and the knowledge and good times you got out of it.

in the end its all worth it

[JoKeRkId613]

i really dont know wut ure talking about cuz the silvertop is an awesome engine. lots of high end power. i havent heard coomer complain about that crap so i dont know wut ure talkin about.

the thing you have to keep in mind when you say your car is "slow" is that there will always be a car that is faster than you. always.

very good point.

[RocketScott]

Yes, your tuning probably sucks. That's not the car's fault.

I bought my celica because I really like the lines of the car. I could have bought something with higher performance but I needed a back seat and some trunk space. Even though this is my extra vehicle and not a daily driver. Price wasn't an issue. I looked at the new Zs, VW's, Hondas and in the end decided that I wanted something that stood out and I didn't see every day. The 6gen Celicas have moved me since they first came out and I always wanted one. The worth of my car goes beyond the horsepower and torque values. I know that if I wanted to I can take the car to a higher level. For right now I'm happy the way it is. I smile when I drive my Celica, that's my trophy. What's that worth?

If I want to go fast I have access to a Ducati 999. Yes it's a great bike right out of the box and I can cruise at 120 no problem. I still get a great deal of satisfaction riding my older Seca II though. Since I've owned it I've done about all I can to the engine and gained about 20 horses. Not bad considering it was around 86bhp out of the factory. It took forever to get the carbs just right and tune the intake and exhaust. There's a certain joy in catching another rider off guard with that bike. I can smoke just about anyone on the Ducati, but then again they see it coming. On the Seca II noone has a clue till I light it up.

[Ale_lock]

Only mistake I'll say you committed doing was not having done the research on the potential of the car, a lot of you guys are stating that you guys are satisfied with your progress on your cars but also state that there isn't much that we can do with them either when it comes to performance which is what he is realizing.

Yeah, it might of been possible that during his progress to add more performance to his car that he might of chosen wrong with the areas he might of started with but unlike ex: Civics where you can get up to 15hp with just a bolt-on or two, we're lucky for anything near 5hp, our stock engines aren't as responsive to bolt-on's as other cars so yeah, it might be his fault for needing more money to go beyond such methods but that’s because we already know that it's standard to swap or turbo if we want decent gains unlike other cars where with a few bolt-on's their owners will get some noticeable gains and be satisfied with just that.

As easily as some can say to sell your car and you messed up, we can also recommend low-cost tuning solutions or just tell him to save for a engine and recommend one that is based on his driving style, that’s being lazy to not give any advice to the guy and makes the environment look hostile for newcomers.

P.S. I myself am planning to own a Shinka RX-8 because I ain’t satisfied with the performance aspects of the car although I am not planning on selling it either if I do obtain another car, I love it for its handling, plain and simple, it handles well and I’ve grown to be content with how it is.

[DJWashington]

Sorry guys but i'd take an sti over a gt4 any day, I'd also trade my celi for a 95 impreza rs 5-speed...both bad little cars. I like my celica, i just know that subeys are faster. Actually most stuff is. And I agree. If u want a fast car, start with the best platform you can afford. But if you want a celica, or any car for that matter, go ahead. Just dont expect your gonna build it and kill everything. I hate when people buy ugly hatchback civics and then talk about doin motor swaps all day, if u want a fast car then buy one. "my 2 cents"

[lagos]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I think that you should try enjoying what you've built and don't worry about what it isn't. Like somebody else said, there will always be a faster car than yours. It's just all if you enjoy the fruits of your labor.

I see modifying as bringing a car to its full potential. In the case of our Celicas, it can be done with great sucess and at a fraction of the cost of similar performers.

EDIT- I think real enjoyment of your swap could be found if you step back to understand the purpose of that motor....its an awesome engine that was designed to operate at 10/10, day in and day out reliably, and rev high with a quick linear throttle response only found in a low-displacement flyweight 4 cylinder. Sure its not the fastest motor, but its the balance and potential available with the 20v that you may not realize. Enjoy it for all its worth, because I would have fun with that thing if it were mine.

This post has been edited by Silver94CelicaOwner: Dec 6, 2005 - 1:19 AM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I see modifying as bringing a car to its full potential. In the case of our Celicas, it can be done with great sucess and at a fraction of the cost of similar performers.

Full potential can be argued. And as far as a fraction of a cost, these cars seem to be higher priced. Soulshadow, you can build that 4age. There's no need to stop were your at. If I were you, I might leave stuff off and gut the car, and build the motor. Then you'd really be moving.

[macavely]

Modding for me is just something that brings a smile to my face once i'm done...makes me feel like damn i'm actually good at something... my frist car had close to 30k of parts in and on it... my frist job every pay check i got for a year and half went into my car... didn't pay for labor cause either my dad and his friend did the work or i did it... i guess i got into cars .. back when my oldest cousin got his ae86 back in the late 80's .. it was a blue top with black bottom... an everytime i saw him .. i made him pop the hood... it was the most beautiful think i had ever seen ... any and everything that could be chrome was... then everything is was a glossy black .... i would always tell myself that i wanted i car like that when i got older... an i did for a while... (mac stops and cries for a bit.. remebering the audi ) and I WILL AGAIN...

[Kwanza26]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

It's pointless for me to make an intelligent response... so I'll just quote the truth...

[_rz_]

I don't know why are you calling scoobys slow... a WRX STI isn't slow with 320 bhp I just think that they are ugly looking (as is evolution).
We had a meet about 2 month ago and we put an 2003 WRX sti, a Lancer evolution VII and a '96 GT-FOUR side by side and guess wich car looked better I don't like sedans trying to be sport cars.... for me celica is a legend.
For me it started when I first saw a st185 gt-four. 2 years later I bought my SSI and 16 month later I sold it and bought a gt-four. I'm happy 'cause it's been my dream for 4 years and I made it come true. But all the time I had my SSI it was the best car in the world for me.

And by the way - you will never be the fastest one around, but you can always be the one that loves his car the most.

[purplegt4]

if you are getting into cars b/c of fast and the furious then no, you shouldnt start

you've been watching too many movies from what i've seen you posting and this certainly isn't the first time you're complaining about your car.

if you want a trophy why dont you actually RACE your car on a track? scca? your motor would be ggRRRRReat! for it. wouldn't you think so? or are you still racing in a straight line?

Man, all I ever see from your posts are complaints about your Celica.

[Project95St202]

It is hard to start a project & realize at the end that some where along that long road you have made a mistake. Celica .... no it's does not pull 10 second on 1/4 mile runs but yet somewhere along the time it stands in a unique position to covers up for those couple second you can't make in 1/4 mile runs.
As far as your buy a slow car / fast theory ? WTF are you talking about buy a fast car to build a fast car ? Everyone knows people who loves power + speed will never be satisfied no matter how many HP or how fast they go. If you want that much speed join the air force and learn to fly a jet . . . .

[Nigel]

Everyone knows people who loves power + speed will never be satisfied no matter how many HP or how fast they go. If you want that much speed join the air force and learn to fly a jet . . . .

LOL

I don't know much about the 4age or ur previous engine, looks like you just didnt ask someone first sounds like you would have been better turboing ur stock engine. What bhp is your car now???
I think for any car 150bhp is gd. 200bhp is better
But remember i think i read somewhere that your only 18 so you wouldnt get insurance on a 200bhp+ car.

[presure2]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

It's pointless for me to make an intelligent response... so I'll just quote the truth...

3rd.

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

to me it's not how fast my car can go...it's about the the celica...if you dont like it...sell it and get something else that will satisfy you...i love the celica the way it is...

[Nibbe]

Pls man don't complain about ur celi or about that its not as fast as u want to. I can tell u that everything is enough for u something like 3weeks or so. Just incase ur running over 300whp that might not happen so fast and the pleasure might last longer. If u want ur car to go fast and look good and u want it to be well everything.. just start from somewhere and oneday ur celi might be that everything. If u want everything right now u gotta have lots of funds on ur pockets otherwise its impossible. I love my celi and ive decided to first make it look good from inside and outside and after that go and start working under the hood. I cant wait my celi to come from bodyshop in a month and see she's wearing her new bodykit. I have to go into army in a month and spend one year there so during that i cant do almost anything for my celi and that sucks. After that im planning to swap my 3S-GE to 3S-GTE and put some hp on my beaty. And like someone said dont forget all the mods u have done just remember to enjoy of them. Theres always someone faster than u and u dont either like to lose race for them. Thats why the cars with lower hps dont race with u cos theyre gonna lose.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Everyone knows people who loves power + speed will never be satisfied no matter how many HP or how fast they go. If you want that much speed join the air force and learn to fly a jet . . . .

LOL

I don't know much about the 4age or ur previous engine, looks like you just didnt ask someone first sounds like you would have been better turboing ur stock engine. What bhp is your car now???
I think for any car 150bhp is gd. 200bhp is better
But remember i think i read somewhere that your only 18 so you wouldnt get insurance on a 200bhp+ car.

He has a decent platform to start on with the 4age. That's what they're about. The reason I think he's not happy is because he put that engine in there and then said, "I'm done." He's taken the first step at least. It's all about potential.

[purplegt4]

one more thing...if you want speed get a bike.

[Manta5x]

i know for me, the only reasons why i bought my celica were:

A) i knew they lasted awile
B) not quite as common as others
C) i love the way they look...to me this is probably the best looking car out there (without spending a ton of money)... i know thats a stretch for alot of other people...but i just think it looks so smooth and clean. For me, this is my dream car until i get outa college and can get me a much more updated car. But ill always have this celica, and its so much fun to learn about this car, and aftermarket parts... my whole attitude towards this is you only live once, and why not enjoy it? I get no greater joy then learning something new about my car, and fixing it up. and i havent even started on the engine!!!!

well said , I agree