Car on 4 JackStands, How long? Options

[jgreening]

jay... i would love to meet up with you and everyone else. problem is that i have some other things going on in my life and i just cant get up and drive for a few hours all by myself. im just going to have to decline so that no one starts up a flame war again. then if anything changes by the time the meet comes around, maybe i could just make a guest apperence.

no offence to jeff, but unless you have finished your upgrades and care to talk about them, then you just have a normal 3sgte swap. i mean, i understand you said yuo have some upgreades planed... but as it stands now, jay is the fastest out of all of us with the added benefit of lsd.

if we based the outcome of a race on what future plans somone has, then Dan (aka player) would be smoking all of us with the 400hp 7af T e he was planning to build....lol.

Art, you should be able to caravan with the smak talkers....if you make it, that would be GREAT! If not, I understand. Its like I said before - I am not giving you a hard time about it...I just hope to see you there.



This post has been edited by jgreening: Jan 14, 2006 - 10:40 PM

[lagos]

jay... i would love to meet up with you and everyone else. problem is that i have some other things going on in my life and i just cant get up and drive for a few hours all by myself. im just going to have to decline so that no one starts up a flame war again. then if anything changes by the time the meet comes around, maybe i could just make a guest apperence.

no offence to jeff, but unless you have finished your upgrades and care to talk about them, then you just have a normal 3sgte swap. i mean, i understand you said yuo have some upgreades planed... but as it stands now, jay is the fastest out of all of us with the added benefit of lsd.

if we based the outcome of a race on what future plans somone has, then Dan (aka player) would be smoking all of us with the 400hp 7af T e he was planning to build....lol.

Art, you should be able to caravan with the smak talkers....if you make it, that would be GREAT! If not, I understand. Its like I said before - I am not giving you a hard time about it...I just hope to see you there.

thanks jay.. ill keep u posted on what happens. it would be a lot of fun to have some many turbo celicas all in one place and to finally get to meet you in person.

[Defgeph]

The only thing I have ever said about my engine was that is was an RC. I have never said it was better than anyone elses. I only defend it when People say its a regular 185, which is not.

It makes a few more ponies than a normal 185.

I have something for you to try. If my car is the same as a normal 185 Get an RC AFM,ecu, and intercooler see if you can get everything to work on your car.

The AFM is larger Allowing more air to be regulated.

I've only said the truth the is an RC, I know its not much different. But it also is not a 185.

[jgreening]

The only thing I have ever said about my engine was that is was an RC. I have never said it was better than anyone elses. I only defend it when People say its a regular 185, which is not.

It makes a few more ponies than a normal 185.

I have something for you to try. If my car is the same as a normal 185 Get an RC AFM,ecu, and intercooler see if you can get everything to work on your car.

The AFM is larger Allowing more air to be regulated.

I've only said the truth the is an RC, I know its not much different. But it also is not a 185.

Does that bigger AFM have any better resolution for higher horsepower or is it just better because of the size of the air passage way?

[Defgeph]

Larger allowing more air to be regulated, more fuel to be sent to the engine by the ecu.

This is one of the reasons it has more horsepower, the intercooler is the other reason.

Everything else is just the same as the ST185, except a kick ass timing belt cooler.

[lagos]

here is the official press release on the car your motor came from. it lists all the specifics that set it apart from a normal st185.
http://celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10961

any higher hp specs that you find, are purely from the fact that the car has better cooling the a normal alltrac and therfore runs a few more pounds of boost.

atsracing recently did a dyno with and without the restriction of an afm on a 300hp mr2 (i think thats the hp it had). they found that with out the restricion of the afm, the car made 3hp more. 3hp is considered to be one of those things you could just blame on a bad dny run, so it was concluded that the stock afm doesnt restrict any power. so a larger one wouldnt help you either.

you and i had a little mini 4th gear race, remember? your car was at 15.5psi, full 3in exhaust, lighter flywheel , and no drag from AC or PS. mine was at 13-14psi, stocky flywheel, 3in dowpipe, a damaged mid pipe that is about 2in in diamiter, working PS and AC connected. during the mini race, we were dead even, untill you started to inch away from me little by little. seeing as how your car had a lot more mods , i think its safe to say that it makes the same power as a normal st185.

i guess to really know for sure, you should try to hit a dnyo while you are still on the stock turbo and see how it compares to every other swap.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 14, 2006 - 11:02 PM

[Defgeph]

You should come down to Tennesee. See how you fair in some races.
I love how you judge my car from that little race. Even before you egged me on to race, I told you the car was not running right and I still had work to do.

Take your car to the track, see if you can put down a 13.9@ 12 psi.
and
I'll try to hit a dyno before I rip out that 26

[Batman722]

why has this turned into a "differences between RC and a stock 185" ?

the fact is, the RC is faster/quicker/has a few more goodies/better mapping/ect than a stock 185. I'm not saying it will blow a 185 out of the water, but it is what it is advertised as.

I think if most people had a choice of an RC clip or a stock 185 clip, the RC would be taken 9 out of 10 times.

back on topic, what happens in May is what is important. What Jeff has is going to bring to the meet is what is important. That's it.

[lagos]

You should come down to Tennesee. See how you fair in some races.
I love how you judge my car from that little race. Even before you egged me on to race, I told you the car was not running right and I still had work to do.

Take your car to the track, see if you can out down a 13.9.
and
I'll try to hit a dyno before I rip out that 26:D

dood, im really not trying to judge you or to start any beef. just saying that from what i saw, your car was very fast, and your motor ran well, but it wasnt really that much faster then my car or the other swaps i have been in. im not saying your car is slow, im just saying that i dont think the "RC" part adds as much as you keep saying.

if i went to a track, i would probably suck ass. ive never been at a track before in my life and my tires do nothing but spin in 1st and 2nd. lol not to mention that my motor will probably die any day now

the fact is, the RC is faster/quicker/has a few more goodies/better mapping/ect than a stock 185

who told you that? the press release i posted says nothing about diffenet ecu tuning or anything other then the upgraded intercooler, and a few more psi in stock trim.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 14, 2006 - 11:13 PM

[Defgeph]

if i went to a track, i would probably suck ass. ive never been at a track before in my life and my tires do nothing but spin in 1st and 2nd. lol

Same here.
Well one day I'll give you the full effect of the RC. I'm sure there will be another Philly meet this year.

Get to the track, Thats where you will find the answers to your disbeliefe in the RC.




Yes back to Greening I have bigger fish to fry

Look at your ECU part number, then look at mine. Tell me if they are the same.

[Batman722]

who told you that? the press release i posted says nothing about diffenet ecu tuning or anything other then the upgraded intercooler, and a few more psi in stock trim.

I just read it in the link you posted

The JDM ecus are mapped with better fuel/timing graphs than what the rest of the world got. Hence the "JDM" engines having 225 vs 200 or 201, or whatever.
The RC [JDM homologation version] continued this, but was up to 235.

gt4_v2 yahoo group is where they can be found. It is probably the best place for you to ask this question. All I know is that it the ecu and afm from a Grp-A that listed as 235 from the factory according to a very reputable source(Justen). If that is obtained solely by ecu or via actuation, I don't know. Nobody on that group has ever said there were contributing factors aside from the better ecu. I am not saying anyone is wrong. I am merely parroting what I have been told on that site and in person over the phone talking to Justen and his friend.

[lagos]

Look at your ECU part number, then look at mine. Tell me if they are the same.

you motor is a 93 and mine is a 90, so no they wont be the same part number.

anyway, its all good man, im not tryint to start another argument with you or anything like that.

i dont know if there will be another philly meet (at least one started by me) this year. my motor seems to have delevoped some type of rod knock and will probably pop soon. so the plan is to spend all summer taking her out and doing a full rebuild. if its still running tho, ill try to set another one up if you guys want to come down again.

[lagos]

who told you that? the press release i posted says nothing about diffenet ecu tuning or anything other then the upgraded intercooler, and a few more psi in stock trim.

I just read it in the link you posted

The JDM ecus are mapped with better fuel/timing graphs than what the rest of the world got. Hence the "JDM" engines having 225 vs 200 or 201, or whatever.
The RC [JDM homologation version] continued this, but was up to 235.

gt4_v2 yahoo group is where they can be found. It is probably the best place for you to ask this question. All I know is that it the ecu and afm from a Grp-A that listed as 235 from the factory according to a very reputable source(Justen). If that is obtained solely by ecu or via actuation, I don't know. Nobody on that group has ever said there were contributing factors aside from the better ecu. I am not saying anyone is wrong. I am merely parroting what I have been told on that site and in person over the phone talking to Justen and his friend.

but you are quoting the opinions people posted in the reply . the actual press release i posed says nothing about the ecu. just says the car makes 4more hp at the crank.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 15, 2006 - 3:36 AM

[lagos]

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The 3S-GTE 2.0-litre engine with 16 valves and twin overhead camshafts is largely unchanged, but the turbocharger now features a water (instead of air) cooled intercooler increasing power from 201 to 205 bhp at 6000 rpm. To improve heat dissipation in the valve area next to the valve seat, the 3S-GTE cylinder head uses the world's first laser-clad seats. Welded by laser beam, the one-piece structure allows heat to dissipate more evenly. Although peak torque remains the same at 203 lb ft, the characteristics have changed to give a much flatter torque curve for even better mid-range performance. As a further aid to engine cooling, the electronic radiator fan power has been increased from 120 watts to 160 watts."

This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 15, 2006 - 3:37 AM

[jgreening]

I'll try to hit a dyno before I rip out that 26

Finally, a little crumb of information. Now, answer my question if you're not scared - are you upgrading the stock fuel system or not?

[Defgeph]

I dont know Jay, I havent got that far into the project yet. Or have I

I'll save the details for Tennesee, I'll let you pull the curtain. I wont put all my cards on the table, I'll just push up my sunglasses. So you can see my eyes.

[jgreening]

I dont know Jay, I havent got that far into the project yet. Or have I

I'll save the details for Tennesee, I'll let you pull the curtain. I wont put all my cards on the table, I'll just push up my sunglasses. So you can see my eyes.

Fair enough, my friend. I look forward to our little competition. Hopefully others are as well and will do their best to make it. I have enjoyed the lighthearted exchange.

[celi_gt_racer]

I can't get enough of this spirited smack talkin.... time until this meet better fly by - because im ready to go NOW. I don't think ima lay down any challenges though - lol

[presure2]

all i got to say is there are gonna be some SERIOUS celicas at this meet.
everyone with theyre own little "flavor" so to speak

[ILuvMyCelica95]

someone better bring a lawn mower- i wanna win a race.