The MR2T tranny "short axel" solution, For those that want to know... Options

[burneeed]

^^^

I think I have mentioned it atleast 20x.. you must get the carrier bearing bracket from a Mr2. The carrier bearing from the celica is smaller than the one on the mr2. SO you wil need the carrier bearing bracket + snap ring from a mr2.

from any mr2? or turbo mr2? does LSD or not change something?


also:
im plannig to have LSD. Does the axle need to be also LSD?


got another question...i heard that the v6 solara e153 tranny is a good choice also..

if i go with that tranny (with LSD)...are there any changes to do in the axle/carrier/snap ring (or any other part needed) setup?

TIA

Im not sure if lsd does or doesnt. But if your ordering it from the dealer ship make sure its from a 94 mr2 turbo that has what they call a Locking differential. because 94 was the only year they came with the lsd diff. The carrier bearing bracket is around 70-80 bux... and the snap ring is around 5 dollars.


if lsd youll need lsd inner axles which are really expensive.. you get them from the dealer and they might be like 300 dollars each. Sometimes you can get good deals off of mr2 oc for the axles.. but there very expensive.

read the entire thread I even give exactly what you need to do the whole swap. Im sorry man I just dont feel like expalining it over and over theres so much to the process if you have any questions you can im me at burneeeed.

[jgreening]

because 94 was the only year they came with the lsd diff.

93+ LSD was an option on MR2T cars.

[HaRv3sTeR]

must the inners and the tranny be the same year?

[burneeed]

Well if you want lsd.. my fault yes its from 93 + mr2 trans that have lsd....
yes the inners have to be from a 93-94 mr2 turbo trans if you want the lsd... but keep in mind that year they have 3 different trans to pick from.

5sfe/s54 trans
e153 with lsd
e153 without lsd

but if you dont want lsd or simply just can afford it then inner stubs can be from a mr2 turbo without lsd which is a huge difference in price.

[HaRv3sTeR]

can anyone confirm this: does the carrier need to be from a LSD if the tranny is LSD

btw thx burneed for the info

yes the inners have to be from a 93-94 mr2 turbo trans if you want the lsd...

what about 95+?

[jgreening]

^^ No mr2 in the us in 95... where are you from?

This is incorrect. 95 MR2's were sold in the U.S.

[HaRv3sTeR]

since im buying a st205 clip....are there any axles or the carrier/snap that can do also the job from the clip?

[Supersprynt]

Harvester: If & when you buy the MR2 transmission you will want to get the axles at least the inner stubs WITH the transmission. This will save you the headache of locating the proper axles because this is such a problem in the MR2 community that some people dont know what type axle they have.

It also doesnt matter what years were sold in the US considering alot of sellers get their transmissions overseas. The best MR2 E153 you can get is the 93+ because the synchros are better and LSD was available. The 90-92s dont have LSD unless its an afermarket unit. If you do for some reason get MR2 transmission w/o axles, you will need to identify which one you have (nonLSD/OEM LSD/Aftermarket LSD) and then buy the proper axles. OEM LSD requires LSD axles, Aftermarket & Non-LSD requires Non-LSD axles. No you cannot use 93+ LSD axles on a 91' equipped with aftermarket LSD. Use the carrier bearing from that year axle. In fact, buy it WITH the carrier bearing already on it.

For reference, I have a 93+ TRD LSD E153 w/Alltrac outters & non-LSD inners with 3/4 of a axle spacer in the passenger side.

Hopefully this will clear things up and stop this bickering.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Sep 11, 2006 - 10:09 AM

[CilverSeliST205]

On topic - I have a long chunk of a bar of 4140 heat treated (damn strong alloy!), and a friend with CNC and skills, anyone would be interested in getting a custom spacer done as opposed to having to buy two half-shafts ? any suggestions on pricing

BTW: I just got mine left ones replaced, i had custom axles before now im sporting st185 with bearing carrier housing ground down a bit as a spacer.

[HaRv3sTeR]

Harvester: If & when you buy the MR2 transmission you will want to get the axles at least the inner stubs WITH the transmission. This will save you the headache of locating the proper axles because this is such a problem in the MR2 community that some people dont know what type axle they have.

It also doesnt matter what years were sold in the US considering alot of sellers get their transmissions overseas. The best MR2 E153 you can get is the 93+ because the synchros are better and LSD was available. The 90-92s dont have LSD unless its an afermarket unit. If you do for some reason get MR2 transmission w/o axles, you will need to identify which one you have (nonLSD/OEM LSD/Aftermarket LSD) and then buy the proper axles. OEM LSD requires LSD axles, Aftermarket & Non-LSD requires Non-LSD axles. No you cannot use 93+ LSD axles on a 91' equipped with aftermarket LSD. Use the carrier bearing from that year axle. In fact, buy it WITH the carrier bearing already on it.

For reference, I have a 93+ TRD LSD E153 w/Alltrac outters & non-LSD inners with 3/4 of a axle spacer in the passenger side.

Hopefully this will clear things up and stop this bickering.

thx man!

btw..after looking at the cost and the disponibility and the headaches, i might go NON LSD...with a e153 from v6 Solara

any info i should know before buying mr2t inner non LSD axles for that tranny?




This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Sep 12, 2006 - 9:54 AM

[burneeed]

^^ Nope... it would be easiest to use that trans being that its already setup for fwd. go on mr2oc and post up a topic on the wtb forum about non lsd e153 axles. I would guess you can get them cheep from there.... there only steal they dont break. So mileage really doesnt matter.

Make sure you have the following though or else its not going to work...
Inner axles mr2
outer axles alltrac
Mr2 turbo / alltrac / solara v6 clutch
front gt mount
the top mount your going to have to combine the two alltrac / gt mounts
the rear one your going to have to make.

And that should be it unless Im missing something?

[HaRv3sTeR]

^^ Nope... it would be easiest to use that trans being that its already setup for fwd. go on mr2oc and post up a topic on the wtb forum about non lsd e153 axles. I would guess you can get them cheep from there.... there only steal they dont break. So mileage really doesnt matter.

Make sure you have the following though or else its not going to work...
Inner axles mr2
outer axles alltrac
Mr2 turbo / alltrac / solara v6 clutch
front gt mount
the top mount your going to have to combine the two alltrac / gt mounts
the rear one your going to have to make.

And that should be it unless Im missing something?

can i use the st205 clutch and st205 mounts?

This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Sep 12, 2006 - 6:25 PM

[burneeed]

YES! The same trans thats on a st205 is on a mr2 is on a alltrac is on a solara is on a camry.

but good luck finding both of them. Look spec clutch for a mr2 turbo. gt front mount. gt + alltrac top mount and make the rear mount.

[playr158]

new st205 mount can be found at your toyota dealer for the rear....
and spec has had some issues with their clutches so look into Clutch Masters and a few others as well

[jgreening]

spec has had some issues with their clutches so look into Clutch Masters and a few others as well

I agree.

[playr158]

that makes 2 times greening

[HaRv3sTeR]

JFYI Burneeed...im buying a front st205 clip so no worries




btw..is 150$ a good price for a unknown millage 91 turbo non lsd tranny with axles?

[Supersprynt]

Well the big "unknown mileage" would be something that Id have issues with because you dont know what your getting into.

[burneeed]

new st205 mount can be found at your toyota dealer for the rear....
and spec has had some issues with their clutches so look into Clutch Masters and a few others as well

yes the cross member along with any parts can be found you have the part # and they will order it. But everytime I tried to order any kind of jdm part it would be cancelled. Not from the dealer directly but from the warehouse. Any jdm parts they see now they pretty much cancel the order...... Unless your getting these parts from a different warehouse than the one I am reffering to..... Obviously these parts all come from japan directly to the warehouse. But they cancelled my st205 mounts 3 times. Over 3 months all at different dealers.

I have never seen anyone have any problem with spec clutches. The feel/grab is great a little better than stock still that real stiff feal and they hold a ton of power. Very streetable nice clutches....

[playr158]

well here was the problem. i knew i wass right
POS SPEC CLUTCH, im gunna be writing a big nasty letter to them. this is only 600 miles!!

and that was only 5 threads above thisone before entering this post......
and yes a lot of us here are off a different warehouse and have different resources for st205 mounts

This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 14, 2006 - 9:33 AM