3sge with 3sgte after market piston and rods, I need help on the block Options

[funnys_tears]

hey i got question about 3sge and 3sgte,
will i run out of oil and it mess up my rob bearing and main bearing, it making noise like knocking, but
"What iF i put 3sgte low compressure after market piston and rod into the 3sge block can that able to work, is that gonna have any problem with the block and does the compressure make any difference, or gonna be the same.. i haven't done anything like this put 3sgte piston into 3sge block,.. how about the head of 3sge, can i still use the 3rd 3sge head on the 3sge block but with 3sgte after market pitson and rod, will that change the compressure...can any get me the information of that.. aright thank..[b]

[95CelicaST]

Compression

[funnys_tears]

it the compresion but, how about the piston of 3sgte can that fits into 3sge block.

can i still use the 3sge head on it..

[lagos]

funnys_tears

your post is very hard to understand. is english your second language?

[funnys_tears]

yup english is my third laugauge

but i was just saying that can can the 3sgte piston fit into 3sge block.

and one more thing can i still use the 3sge head on the 3sge block with the 3sgte piston aftermarket. okies do u understand. mr.

okies..heheh

[Supersprynt]

Yeah they'll fit into the block, but you'll have less power. Only reason I could see doing this is if your putting a turbo on.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 8, 2006 - 10:05 AM

[scothaniel]

As Supersprynt said, they will fit, but pointless without a turbo. I'm guessing thats what your going for?

I have 3SGTE pistons in my 3rd gen 3SGE motor without any problems. No worries about valve clearance.

BTW - The 3SGE's rods, crank, and bearings are the same as the 3SGTE. The heads are virtually the same too.

[Supersprynt]

Cams are different, putting 3sgte cams in a 3sge will yield a slight decrease in power.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Like everyone has said, you'll lose a little power due to compression loss, but all you have to do is crank up the boost on your turbo. You're profile says you have one. What generation is your 3sge? It's in a 6gc right? I'd like to see some pictures of it.

[funnys_tears]

welp i guess it must work then.. but the hight compression head as 3sge are not the same as 3sgte head.. don't the 3sge have bigger cam shaft and bigger valve knock. but the cam gear are the same wight..

but i like to know how many can i boost on turbo..
but i using the 3sge beam intake mantifold on the 3rd genration head. but i hope it doesn't make any different.. from the hp,

so how many hp u got on your 3sge block with trubo charge..scothaniel

welp do u know where i can find the aftermarket hight compression piston at..
for the 3sge block...

[Supersprynt]

I wouldnt put a Beams head on a 3sgte at all. The 3sge cams have higher lift & duration so you get a bit more power.

I'm not really sure where your going to find aftermarket stuff here in the states that engine hasnt been used here since the 4th gen and theres basically no aftermarket support for that. Your going to have to look overseas.

[scothaniel]

If your just putting the beams intake manifold on the non-beams head, you should be fine.

The head doesn't make the motor higher compression, only the pistons do that (in this case). The NA cams have a longer duration then the turbo cams, but its really not that much (like 5 degrees). The cam journals are the same - I had snapped the exhaust cam on my 3SGE and replaced it with the turbo's cam. The valve systems are identical, as are the cylinder head combustion chambers.

I dont have any HP numbers, as I've only had the car running a couple of months. I'm hoping to get it on the dyno this spring, before upgrading to a bigger turbo. I am pushing 14psi on a Mitsu 14b.

The thing is, once you change the pistons and add a turbo, it IS essentially a 3SGTE. You can run just as much boost and produce just as much power as a 3SGTE, providing you do the same supporting mods. The first bottleneck for the 3SGE is the injectors, which are the same as the 5SFE. Luckily its an easy upgrade, and Apexi makes a Power-FC for the 3rd gen 3SGE motor to control the extra fuel and boost. I dont know why more people dont go the 3SGE route for projects.

If you really wanted to get forged high-compression pistons, your best bet would be sending in the stock pistsons to a manufature to make a clone of. I had a set done by CP this way. But, higher compression = lower boost levels.

[sugarfree]

can i use 3sgte injectors in a beams motor?

[funnys_tears]

yeah the beam injector are the same as the third 3sge injector.. but the 3sgte injector are same as 3sge 3rd genration.. but the 2nd genration is differen, they are same as 5sfe,..

[funnys_tears]

and i for got to ask, is the crankshaft are same as 3sgte.. cuz my crankshaft it scrate from the main bearing...cuz i run out of oil when i went to turbo i was boosting around 17 psi.. so it mess up all my piston and rod and crankshaft... all men what a mess.. awwww i waste alot on my celica project awwww.. i was thinking about buy a 3sgte motors but i just thinking why i waste 1700 $$ on a 3sgte, why i just use the 1700 buy me new piston and rod and crankshaft.. piston and rod cost around $789 and crankshaft are $250 and buy me set a turbo kits or upgrade my head..hahahahahah.... why wasting 1700 for the 3sgte it get u the 255 hp, even i rather built my 3sge it get me more power right....hahahah..

[BlackSTX]

^I think this guy is full of sh!t.

[funnys_tears]

i ain't full a ****e
you don't understand.. you know how much u wasting money on what kinda ****e... hahahhahhaha your even dumper then i though..

[Supersprynt]

yeah the beam injector are the same as the third 3sge injector.. but the 3sgte injector are same as 3sge 3rd genration.. but the 2nd genration is differen, they are same as 5sfe,..

What does this say in english? 5sfe injectors are 215 someone correct me if im wront but the 1st gen 3sge was 250ish? So the 2nd gen was probaby more so if nto the same. 3sgte injectors are 440 in 2nd gen and 540 in 3rd .

[Supersprynt]

and i for got to ask, is the crankshaft are same as 3sgte.. cuz my crankshaft it scrate from the main bearing...cuz i run out of oil when i went to turbo i was boosting around 17 psi.. so it mess up all my piston and rod and crankshaft... all men what a mess.. awwww i waste alot on my celica project awwww.. i was thinking about buy a 3sgte motors but i just thinking why i waste 1700 $$ on a 3sgte, why i just use the 1700 buy me new piston and rod and crankshaft.. piston and rod cost around $789 and crankshaft are $250 and buy me set a turbo kits or upgrade my head..hahahahahah.... why wasting 1700 for the 3sgte it get u the 255 hp, even i rather built my 3sge it get me more power right....hahahah..

i ain't full a ****e
you don't understand.. you know how much u wasting money on what kinda ****e... hahahhahhaha your even dumper then i though..

Is english your first language? I have no idea what your saying.

[scothaniel]

is the crankshaft are same as 3sgte

Yes, the crankshafts and rods are the same for all 3S motors (any gen, turbo and non-turbo).

but the 3sgte injector are same as 3sge 3rd genration.

All 3SGE injectors are all top-feed. All 3SGTE injectors are side feed. The 3rd gen 3SGE injectors are the same as 5SFE injectors.