after swap, not turning over ?!!?!?!, advise Options

[Batman722]

here is the situation...a 94 5s went into a 96. The 96 harness was used and everything matched up except a few things (they were then swapped over from the 96 motor to the 94, i.e. distributer, OBDII, ect. ). Now after everything is all hooked up and put together, it doesn't start up. It cranks, the starter is good, but no vroom.

anything that I should check for specifically ?

any ideas ?

wtf ?

thanks

[Dr_Tweak]

Are you getting spark? Is the fuel pump running? Do you have fuel pressure?

[Batman722]

the problem is I am not at the engine to find out, just hearing about from a friend but i am gonna call him in the morn.

story...I sold my 94 (non cali) 5s (ran great) to a local guy who blew a hole in his block we (Manny and I) helped him pull his old 5s and he needed to use his 96 (cali) harness on the 94. He said he swapped everything he needed with his harness but had one problem with a sensor on the side of the TB. He said he rigged it and things should be fine.

I know this is limited info here but what would cause it to not turn over ?

[Dr_Tweak]

Well, first off, "turn over" = cranking, so don't use that term for not starting. The problem is it turns over, but doesn't start, right?

Which distributor is he using? There's a ton of things that could cause a no start, probably it's something very simple.

[Batman722]

you are correct, turning over, yes, starting, no.

I think it has to be simple too. I told him to swap his 96 distributor, he should be using it.

[Dr_Tweak]

Yeap, that's probably his problem right there.

[presure2]

he prolly forgot somthing dustin, did he tell you about what he did with the crank sensor thingy?

[Batman722]

he swaped the cover and his dad did the timing belt

[Agent21]

There are supposidly some differences between cali and fed distributors. Also make sure he uses the exhaust off the cali car. How does the coil look? I know that also has cali/fed issues.

[nightryder]

ok guys, ill step forward, its my car.

alright...

I used the exaust from the other engine...
I changed over the distributor
I changed over the wire harness
I swapped over a crank sensor
I swapped the egr

Now, I am getting spark, the fuel pump is working, the fuses are fine, and there is fuel getting to the fuel filter. I tryed using some starter fluid, i got it to studder a little but didnt run. I am now going to take a look at the hoses and the fuel rail to see if there is maybe a blockage. This is the last thing i can think of. is there a way to see if the injectors are firing?

[lagos]

ok guys, ill step forward, its my car.

alright...

I used the exaust from the other engine...
I changed over the distributor
I changed over the wire harness
I swapped over a crank sensor
I swapped the egr

Now, I am getting spark, the fuel pump is working, the fuses are fine, and there is fuel getting to the fuel filter. I tryed using some starter fluid, i got it to studder a little but didnt run. I am now going to take a look at the hoses and the fuel rail to see if there is maybe a blockage. This is the last thing i can think of. is there a way to see if the injectors are firing?

if you got it to fire up with the starter fluid, then your problem must be fuel related, since you verified that the car and fire on its own.

[nightryder]

OK i have an update and an apology for my last post. I AM NOT GETTING SPARK. Thought i was, guess not, i checked again today. Distributor maybe?

[Sr_Ric]

i know on some cars if your using diffrent wiring you have to change keys/modules for the imobiliser?

sorry if this is totally of the mark

[lagos]

OK i have an update and an apology for my last post. I AM NOT GETTING SPARK. Thought i was, guess not, i checked again today. Distributor maybe?

make sure you are using your coil, ignitor, distributor, harness and ecu from your old motor. you also have to make sure the iginitor and coil and grounded to the car, and that you didnt forget to hook up your tranny and chasis grounds from your battery .... its always something dumb like that that causes problems.

[nightryder]

Ive been doing some trouble shooting and i think it could be my ignitor coil. I have power going in the coil, and none coming out the ignitor. I figure this might be it, either that or a crossed wire somewhere. and yes i am using the harness ecu, distributor, ignitor and coil from the old engine.

This post has been edited by nightryder: Jan 24, 2006 - 6:24 PM

[Agent21]

Take a multimeter on the positive pole and the little loop on the side of the coil on near the bottom. If it is between 10K and 14K you are fine. anything else it is SHOT! My money is on it.

[nightryder]

Take a multimeter on the positive pole and the little loop on the side of the coil on near the bottom. If it is between 10K and 14K you are fine. anything else it is SHOT! My money is on it.

I got a hold of a multimeter, checked the power going into the coil-(12.45) then i checked it going from the coil to the ignitor-(0) then i checked the distributor cord from the coil and i got no power either, i think you are right on the money Agent. Im haveing a buddy who works at a local dealership as a diagnostic manager to come over and have a looksee, we will know later on today.

[Agent21]

I only know this because mine blew out of no where. Pulled the alternator and waited a week for the new one, put in the alternator and no spark at all.

[rjbibeau]

i now too have the same prob as doggy. i swapped from a 96 5sfe motor to a 98 5sfe motor cuz i blew the old one. and i have fuel but no spark. when i put my ear up to the coil it makes a whine sound very faint though even when the car is on the off position. i'm thinking this is draining my battery. i'm gonna check into it more tonight but i think my coil is shot. did you ever get yours to work doggy?

[Agent21]

Could be the ignition control module as well. It is on the firewall right above the master cylinder.