Talk about cheaply turbo-ing a 5sfe, BADDDDDDD Options

[snapshotgt]

okay, i know now how to hook up a boost gauge...if anyone wants to donate/give me one, i'll get a boost read on it...pm me...

~snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Feb 12, 2006 - 11:18 PM

[celicaST]

okay, i know now how to hook up a boost gauge...if anyone wants to donate/give me one, i'll get a boost read on it...pm me...

~snap

just to let you know, its going to be a waste of your time.

[95celgt]

well i can do 2 dyno runs for $30 so if anybody wants to to donate a blower with decent CFM let me know.

[celicaST]

well i can do 2 dyno runs for $30 so if anybody wants to to donate a blower with decent CFM let me know.

ahhhhh! again, the CFM isnt the only factor, it also needs powahhhh and the compressor and housing must be designed to inhibit blowback

i am purchasing the e-ram tomorrow, and i will post my impressions. also, anybody coming to the colorado meet, i will let them take a ride in my car with it connected and disconnected.

[95celgt]

haha, well, ill basically be doing it for fun, so any "decent" compressor will sufice.

[celicaST]

haha, well, ill basically be doing it for fun, so any "decent" compressor will sufice.

youll end up like these guys e-turbo. if you do it though, i want to see you destroy the fan more creatively

[BBoYRuGGeD]

keep in mind, with our setup we likewise are going to need fuel system upgrades, fuel management, and a intercooler.

just curious but why would u need an intercooler? if its just a fan connected to the intake its not like its taking hot exhuast air like a real turbo right?

bboy

[celicaST]

keep in mind, with our setup we likewise are going to need fuel system upgrades, fuel management, and a intercooler.

just curious but why would u need an intercooler? if its just a fan connected to the intake its not like its taking hot exhuast air like a real turbo right?

bboy

when you compress a gas quickly without letting heat flow to the environment, the work done on the gas will be transferred to heat in the gas. this is know as adiabatic compression where delta W (work done) equals delta E (internal energy). have you ever held the hose of an air compressor? it will get warm because of this fact. i dont get what your saying, a real turbo doesnt take hot exhaust air. the exhaust gases power a turbine that powers a compressor to compress the incoming air (which very well might be cold). but through the process of compression, the air's temperature increases.

also, when i said im going to need an intercooler, i wasnt talking for the e-ram if thats what you thought. it will be needed for the high power setup that me and my brother are in the process of designing and searching for parts we will need.

This post has been edited by celicaST: Feb 13, 2006 - 1:00 AM

[95celgt]

haha, well, ill basically be doing it for fun, so any "decent" compressor will sufice.

youll end up like these guys e-turbo. if you do it though, i want to see you destroy the fan more creatively

haha, i promise i will, unless the donor wants it back:P:P

[BBoYRuGGeD]

aaahhhh...well in any case good luck n hope u make some progress

bboy

[CelicaSTX02]

when you compress a gas quickly without letting heat flow to the environment, the work done on the gas will be transferred to heat in the gas. this is know as adiabatic compression where delta W (work done) equals delta E (internal energy). have you ever held the hose of an air compressor? it will get warm because of this fact. i dont get what your saying, a real turbo doesnt take hot exhaust air. the exhaust gases power a turbine that powers a compressor to compress the incoming air (which very well might be cold). but through the process of compression, the air's temperature increases.

also, when i said im going to need an intercooler, i wasnt talking for the e-ram if thats what you thought. it will be needed for the high power setup that me and my brother are in the process of designing and searching for parts we will need.

*Adiabatic means that "no heat is transferred...it does not enter or leave the system"
*internal energy is denoted with a "U" not an "E"
*basically what this kid is trying to say is that when you use a turbo, it causes a lot of heat. And to know how much heat is produced, you must understand adiabatic processes. A turbo just takes in air and compress it by increasing the velocity of the molecules. When the molecules doesn't have anywhere to go (like going back through the intercooler) the compression process heats it up. This heat is the disadvantage of turbochargers.

This post has been edited by CelicaSTX02: Feb 13, 2006 - 5:27 PM

[celicaST]

when you compress a gas quickly without letting heat flow to the environment, the work done on the gas will be transferred to heat in the gas. this is know as adiabatic compression where delta W (work done) equals delta E (internal energy). have you ever held the hose of an air compressor? it will get warm because of this fact. i dont get what your saying, a real turbo doesnt take hot exhaust air. the exhaust gases power a turbine that powers a compressor to compress the incoming air (which very well might be cold). but through the process of compression, the air's temperature increases.

also, when i said im going to need an intercooler, i wasnt talking for the e-ram if thats what you thought. it will be needed for the high power setup that me and my brother are in the process of designing and searching for parts we will need.

*Adiabatic means that "no heat is transferred...it does not enter or leave the system"
*internal energy is denoted with a "U" not an "E"
*basically what this kid is trying to say is that when you use a turbo, it causes a lot of heat. And to know how much heat is produced, you must understand adiabatic processes. A turbo just takes in air and compress it by increasing the velocity of the molecules. When the molecules doesn't have anywhere to go (like going back through the intercooler) the compression process heats it up. This heat is the disadvantage of turbochargers.

i dont get it, are you rewording what i said, or disagreeing with me? your definition of adiabatic is exactly what i said. assuming the time is minute, than it is a reasonable approximation that no heat is transferred, but the physical work of compression increases the internal energy of the gas. yes, i have seen internal energy represented by both U and E depending on the text and context.

[lilsteeg]

okay, i know now how to hook up a boost gauge...if anyone wants to donate/give me one, i'll get a boost read on it...pm me...

~snap

just to let you know, its going to be a waste of your time.

there is no point, even the bs cheep ones on ebay only claim 1 psi, thats like 1/8 of a moderate turbo set up which might get you like 30 or 40 extra hp, so 1 psi would net you like 5 at most
wooo hooo 5 more hp and all your friends laugh at you for doing it

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

okay, i know now how to hook up a boost gauge...if anyone wants to donate/give me one, i'll get a boost read on it...pm me...

~snap

just to let you know, its going to be a waste of your time.

there is no point, even the bs cheep ones on ebay only claim 1 psi, thats like 1/8 of a moderate turbo set up which might get you like 30 or 40 extra hp, so 1 psi would net you like 5 at most
wooo hooo 5 more hp and all your friends laugh at you for doing it

I can't wate till he gets this thing working and shows everyone. Then, he will be the one laughing. I'll just have a nice smile for a week or so.

[celicaST]

okay, i know now how to hook up a boost gauge...if anyone wants to donate/give me one, i'll get a boost read on it...pm me...

~snap

just to let you know, its going to be a waste of your time.

there is no point, even the bs cheep ones on ebay only claim 1 psi, thats like 1/8 of a moderate turbo set up which might get you like 30 or 40 extra hp, so 1 psi would net you like 5 at most
wooo hooo 5 more hp and all your friends laugh at you for doing it

the cheap bs ones on ebay dont work. weve settled that. they dont even provide the 1psi they claim. 1psi of positve pressure is better than 1psi of vacuum isnt it? last time i checked it was. and remember this is a hell of a lot cheaper than a turbo setup. you could buy an exhaust, headers, and intake and still not see the same gains you will from this. and since when should you care what your friends think, take them for a ride to shut them up.

dont worry bulldog, im getting the e-ram. when it gets here ill post pics and impressions. im also looking into increasing its power to 1135 watts over 833 by powering it from a seperate ultracapacitor pack (the one ill eventually use in the high power setup) rated at 16.2 volts. thats the nice thing about electric motors, they dont really have a "max" hp however, ill need to contact eracing and find out which exact motor theyre using so i can see if it could handle the increased amperage. it shouldnt be a problem i suspect considering the high air flow environment provides ample cooling. the only issue would be increased brush wear perhaps, but thats no big deal this should as place me at around 1si of positive pressure im guestimating.

This post has been edited by celicaST: Feb 14, 2006 - 12:31 AM

[Smokeeey420]

i saw that car on ebay. i almost lmao. if you look he also has a front mount intercooler not even connected to anything haha

wtf that'z funny as hell.........some people r krazy

[lagos]

i havent been keeping up on this thread....and just clicked on it now and started reading the posts with my jaw to the floor.... my god, im ashamed to be a celica owner.