hood scoop, air flow for 3sgte Options

[Miguelcelica]

hey as some of u know i'm getting ready 2 swap the engine in my 96 celica, with a 3sgte one. should i use a intercooler kit or should i cut the hood and place a hood scoop, will the air flow still work good or should i go with the intercooler???help me out guys thanks

[BBoYRuGGeD]

hey as some of u know i'm getting ready 2 swap the engine in my 96 celica, with a 3sgte one. should i use a intercooler kit or should i cut the hood and place a hood scoop, will the air flow still work good or should i go with the intercooler???help me out guys thanks

i've heard the stock air-air top mounts heat soak alot...but i dunno how true this is since i dumped my top mount air-air for a fmic setup for my swap. but if you custom a hood-scoop to lead directly to the top mount IC then i think you should be ok on stock motor. still tho...you would get better air with a FMIC setup

bboy

[lagos]

get a fmic. the stock IC is the worst thing in the world and is not recomeneded

[Doge]

A hood scoop is fine... get a spal pusher fan and heat soak won't be a problem at all. The stock intercooler design is perfectly fine.

[presure2]

the stock IC is barely adequate, even @ stock boost levels.
instead of putting money into a scoop, where the cool air going in is almost negated by the hot air rising off the motor,
put that $$ into a decent FMIC setup.
once you start upping the boost, that top mount pretty much becomes junk.

[Supersprynt]

A hood scoop is fine... get a spal pusher fan and heat soak won't be a problem at all. The stock intercooler design is perfectly fine.

Spal fan wont fit under the stock hood, least the one I tried, and even then its not comparable to a w2a or fmic.

When I switched from the stock air to air WITH a hoodscoop to the water2air top mount the difference was definately noticable. I think just about everyone is going to say the same thing, get rid of that piece of garbage.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Mar 3, 2006 - 8:22 AM

[Doge]

Of course without a fan it's not going to be as effective as a front mount. Heat soak is a major issue. But the Spal fan isn't your normal room fan. It's very effective. Presure2 do you have experience with the top mount? You talk about hot air negating any sort of cold air going into the engine bay... which is completely false. I find it amazing that you are such an expert on the subject without having any experience with it. I'm not saying the top mount is the best solution. But it is definately a valid option when done correctly. You can't deny all the st185 owners that don't even think about upgrading their intercooler because the amount of cooling they get with this combination is more than adequate for their current setup.

[Supersprynt]

I'd like to talk to an ST185 owner who likes their stock a2a.

[lagos]

Of course without a fan it's not going to be as effective as a front mount. Heat soak is a major issue. But the Spal fan isn't your normal room fan. It's very effective. Presure2 do you have experience with the top mount? You talk about hot air negating any sort of cold air going into the engine bay... which is completely false. I find it amazing that you are such an expert on the subject without having any experience with it. I'm not saying the top mount is the best solution. But it is definately a valid option when done correctly. You can't deny all the st185 owners that don't even think about upgrading their intercooler because the amount of cooling they get with this combination is more than adequate for their current setup.

dodge, i always shaked my head and wondered how you could still be using that piece of crap top mount. i had mine on for a few weeks, and can tell you that even with some type of hood scoop and fan, that intercooler is just horrible. think about it, it sits on top of a hot valve cover and has hot boost going through it. its a horrible design. alltrac guys hate it too, but get away with it as long as they run low boost. i have seen alot of alltracs that are only at 8-10psi. if i had a stock alltrac, i would never run any more boost then that on that topmount.

its one of those things were, you dont know what your missing by using the topmount. if you got a proper intercooler setup, you would know what we mean.

its pointless to cut your stock hood, buy a scoop, buy a fan, pay to get the scoop molded to your hood and painted. you can get a fmic setup for next to nothing these days that will out perform the topmount a thousand times over.

[snapshotgt]

READ THIS: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=32725&hl=hood

This is a short thread where i asked almost the same question...fmic is the way to go

snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Mar 5, 2006 - 2:39 PM

[GMan]

> Miguelcelica
> '96 GT-S Hatchback
> From canada
> hey as some of u know i'm getting ready 2 swap the engine in my 96 celica,
> with a 3sgte one. should i use a intercooler kit or should i cut the hood and place a hood scoop,

The 6th gen did Not come with a scooped AT hood ?
Are you Just going to cut the stock with a jig saw, and bondo on a fg hood scoop ?
Would not look to good IMHO. But if it fits your budget, it would work. :-)

> will the air flow still work good or should i go with the intercooler???
> help me out guys thanks

It depends on your skills with the saw and the scoop you chose ? :-)
Maybe find a damaged ST185 hood and graft on the scoop ?
Would be Unique. I have seen it in an ST16# series, never on an ST20#.

I have an ST185, with a SPAL fan with some heat insulation under the IC as well,
Both do stop the heat soak. It really makes a difference in stop and go traffic.
Fine for stock hp and a litte more. Much More and a FMIC or W/A set up makes More sense.

If you can pick up an ST185 CS W/A or an ST205 W/A IC, that would also solve your problem.
Maybe easier to mount, than a FMIC, run water lines a pump; then IC "bolts on". ? IMHO.

# presure2
# Posted Mar 3, 2006 - 11:53 AM
# the stock IC is barely adequate, even @ stock boost levels.

Pressure2 has been around US ST185 guys enough.
He has the main idea down.

Regards;
-----------------
'91 ST185
6th gen lurker.

[presure2]

Presure2 do you have experience with the top mount? You talk about hot air negating any sort of cold air going into the engine bay... which is completely false. I find it amazing that you are such an expert on the subject without having any experience with it. I'm not saying the top mount is the best solution. But it is definately a valid option when done correctly. You can't deny all the st185 owners that don't even think about upgrading their intercooler because the amount of cooling they get with this combination is more than adequate for their current setup

actually, just cause i have a 6th gen, dont think i dont have any experience with the alltrac...lol i gave 2 alltrac owners within 1/2hr of me that i talk to and meet up with, as well as several others from meets, boards ect.
yea, the top mount will work for stock boost levels on a alltrac, but you ask ANYONE who drives one, everyday, at anything above stock boost levels, and they'll all tell you the TMIC even WITH a spal fan is junk.
the money you'd spend mounting a scoop properly and painting the hood would be MUCH better off going to a decent FMIC setup, or W2A top mount.