what really happened on 9/11? Options

[pr_caralho]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

wow your ignorant

[Chanh55]

Man... I don't know what to believe anymore... no matter who's side you're on... you have to agree that the documentry made very good and valid points.

Edit: Penn and Teller needs to back this guy up...

This post has been edited by Chanh55: Mar 9, 2006 - 1:23 AM

[madmods]

Pentagon video:
click here

This post has been edited by madmods: Mar 9, 2006 - 1:41 AM

[celicaST]

Who watched the entire 80mins? I just watched the entire thing, and I was very skeptical about any hoax or conspiracy theory. But after watching this, wow. I really have no idea what to think. Alot about that day doesnt add up, and now I'm seriously considering thinking this wasnt what we are led to believe.

One thing for sure, nothing was done because of population. Money, and power, thats what causes things like this. I really dont know what to think, I've been scared since Bush took office and it gets worse everyday. He didnt even win the election in the popular vote. Too much has happened to many scandals too many wrong-doings by this administration. This gov't doesnt work for the people ne more, and I think the REAL American way of standing up for yourself and challenging the unfair treatment of citizens is gone.

Honestly from the bottom of my heart I have real fear for this country. Theres a reason the U.S. population is kept in the dark, if anybody knew 1/2 of what we do around the world you'd be disgusted with this country. Its time for change.

yep watched all of it. very interesting video but im not fully convinced. one thing ive learned is you can pick and choose evidence to support any viewpoint. obviously hes biased, and the key to a persuasive argument is to address the oppostion which he never did. but that said, it was very well put together (although he used flawed logic at times) and definitly got me thinking. my opinion, never form conclusions without researching yourself.

this is really crazy guys. you cant believe this was done by our own government.

id sure hate to think so, but it would be naive to discredit the possibility just because its a terrible thought. many actions and functions of the government are completely oblivious to the public, and in most cases that can be argued to be a good thing. im in a political philosophy class now and just finished reading thucydides (very good read and enlightening to current events for those interested). nations act in response to fear and self-interest invariably. the video failed to provide a convincing motive for me. i dont think the govnt would commit that to make i few individuals rich. i would however more likely believe it was done to protect us in the future by giving us a reason to go into the middle east (oil supply security is a factor).

again, i still dont believe it, and id probably vote for bush again if i could. realize this video and others like it are created by people who despise bush and have their own motives. i mean, there are some crazy people out there calling bush the antichrist (google bush antichrist and you will fiind some funny stuff ).

This post has been edited by celicaST: Mar 9, 2006 - 1:43 AM

[celicaST]

Man... I don't know what to believe anymore... no matter who's side you're on... you have to agree that the documentry made very good and valid points.

very true, definitly interesting/plausible enough that it kept me watching through the whole thing.

You will be hooked.

thats how all conspiracy theories survive, people want to believe in something mysterious. its just human nature as it entertains the mind from the "boredom" of reality. whether its ufos, the bermuda triangle, armageddon prophecies, bigfoot, the "evil" government, you name it and people will convince themselves its true without analyzing facts.

This post has been edited by celicaST: Mar 9, 2006 - 1:42 AM

[Jdog1385]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

wow your ignorant

dont want to start an argument, but why is he ignorant. you're just as ignorant for saying that.

[jgreening]

I enjoyed the video. It was a well made fictional piece. Google Pentagon and 757. These conspiracy theories are everywhere and have been debunked time and again.

My favorite part was the thing about replicating voices in real time. That was SWEEEEET.

The only part I believe is that some people knew about it and made a fortune in pre-attack trading. Those people were connected to the terrorists though.

[FAQdaWorld]

If you truly believe this wad of garbage then... Well i just dont know what to say to you even?

[lagos]

enjoyed the video. It was a well made fictional piece. Google Pentagon and 757. These conspiracy theories are everywhere and have been debunked time and again.

yeah i agree that everyone wants a conspiracy these days. ... but i always thought it was odd that we didnt see any parts of the planes that hit the pentigon or pieces of flight 93

My favorite part was the thing about replicating voices in real time. That was SWEEEEET.

yeah that part was kind of far fetched. in order for something like that to work, you would have to sample the persons voice well ahead of time so that the machnice can learn the speech patterns. IF that technology even exists.

[playr158]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

wow your ignorant

dont want to start an argument, but why is he ignorant. you're just as ignorant for saying that.

i'm with jdog on this one why is he ignorant? a good chunk of these are for anti-bush reasons...
your canadian what does our government have to do with you?
your ingnorant for talking before you speak....

but the pentagon is literally down the street from me...slipgun and i are the 2 closest members to it on this site, i drove by it and i've personally seen wat happened...conspiracy theory is just bs

[Rayme]

Theres sooooooooo many things fishy about it...but I'll just say one thing...

World trade center 7 did not collapse because of fire, sky scrapers don't collapse because of fire.

hell, towers don't collapse from planes either!

[bloodrain]

I believe it was an attack by aliens. They want Earth and there is nothing we can do to stop it. GG. Oh and that speach duplication thing does exist. There are a few programs made by ordinary programmers that have made similar things. I got it off Kazaa before it went under (and i caught virus's) it used to ask you a few words and you had to speak to it and then it would ask for a sentence. And after that it would replicate your voice. It wasnt the greatest at doing it but it was pretty entertaining, anywho my main point is if these average programmers can do it, I would think that the gov't would surely have something capable of doing it. WE'RE LIVING THE REAL MISSION IMPOSSIBLE!!!

This post has been edited by bloodrain: Mar 9, 2006 - 11:33 AM

[celi_gt_racer]

very well made video.... i have it on dvd. You can't deny some of the pictures as evidence of NO 757 crash into the pentagon... and i would believe an A-3 or tomahawk missle would be more likely - plus - if it was a 757 just as described by the government... there would be no reason to withold all of the tapes taken from security cameras who could have possibly caught the impact on tape. The pentagon crash is more fishy in my opinion - but it's also very weird that some of the strongest towers in the world could have collapsed because of fire..... lol. Believe what you want.... just dont be told what to believe and satisfy for that (that would be true ignorance)

[Jdog1385]

Theres sooooooooo many things fishy about it...but I'll just say one thing...

World trade center 7 did not collapse because of fire, sky scrapers don't collapse because of fire.

hell, towers don't collapse from planes either!

if you know anything about steel construction then you know metal has a yield point. When this yield point is exceeded, catastrophic failure is evident. The Metal beams will bend, not break, but this will cause serious structural damage.

Structural failure also came from the two prior collapses of World Trade Center Tower 1 and Tower 2 falling on Tower 7. This obviously made the structure weak and vulnerable to a devastating fire.

This post has been edited by Jdog1385: Mar 9, 2006 - 12:51 PM

[Drocay]

look bro my dad saw the whole thing too, he told me he didn't see a Commercial Plane, it just wasnt big enough, either way people got hurt and killed and may they not be forgotten.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

I highly reccommend reading 9/11 Commission Report

and ive always wondered about that plane that crashed in the fields - wtf!

i dont know what happened that day for sure but a few select do! I hope they wake up everyday feeling like crap - whether it was people of our own government or terrorists over in the middle east

[Rayme]

Theres sooooooooo many things fishy about it...but I'll just say one thing...

World trade center 7 did not collapse because of fire, sky scrapers don't collapse because of fire.

hell, towers don't collapse from planes either!

if you know anything about steel construction then you know metal has a yield point. When this yield point is exceeded, catastrophic failure is evident. The Metal beams will bend, not break, but this will cause serious structural damage.

Structural failure also came from the two prior collapses of World Trade Center Tower 1 and Tower 2 falling on Tower 7. This obviously made the structure weak and vulnerable to a devastating fire.

WTC7 is kinda far from the towers to get debris from towers that ironicaly fell down destruction style on their own. If the theory of weaken metal would hold on well the towers would have leaned on the side it weakened first, it wouldnt have collapsed on its vertical axis. Beside the metal beams are coated wire isolation and jet fuel (that mostly burned upon impact) can't burn nearly enough to make it that hot. Even the engineering that made the towers said it was made to withstand a plane hit.
Buildings are made to withstand earthquakes man, you think a couple debris, if any and a fire can make a biulding completely collapse on its own? And mimic a perfect destruction style collapse? If yes it seems we had the premiers of these events on that day. To it looks way too wierd to beleive whatever CNN tells us. I'm not denying planes hit these building on that day, people died, and god bless them(if it applies), I'm just saying theres something wayy more to it than that...if people wants to make their own opinion than just watch TV and beleive, let it be...but some take it too far, tries too much I agree.

But we'll never know. No hating

[carb0n_f1b3r]

There isn't anything wrong with trying to seperating that which is truth from the contrived. I know this to be truth in itself because truth withstands scrutiny. Wheat from chaff fiction from reality it is only a process dividing good from evil. The problem derives primarily from the assumption of truth in the prescents of something false or vice-versa. This is a presentation of an argument that will upset some and convince others of the complexity that lies at the heart of the situation that has effected millions of ppl around the world. The purpose of this is not to convince you either way because that is not important. The horrindous implecations of either argument is hard to conceive. Paranoria is what i felt at first, from both sides, but relief came from another source the truth. Now the question that comes to my mind is where to take it from here.. I have my truth but what application can we have on a macro scale? A butterfly effect? Do good deeds have the omnipotence to reach all the world? Faith.. I started off with a completely different message here but im led to the same conclutions every time

[Guest_TurbO_*]

damn...the US government doesn't give a f*ck about us, the people...I'm for real...if they did, everything would be perfect

[pr_caralho]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

wow your ignorant

dont want to start an argument, but why is he ignorant. you're just as ignorant for saying that.

i'm with jdog on this one why is he ignorant? a good chunk of these are for anti-bush reasons...
your canadian what does our government have to do with you?
your ingnorant for talking before you speak....

but the pentagon is literally down the street from me...slipgun and i are the 2 closest members to it on this site, i drove by it and i've personally seen wat happened...conspiracy theory is just bs

hes ignorant because, there are so many things that are wrong with what happened in 911, how does a building collapse from jet feul fires? and how does a second building collapse from debris falling on it? and etc, none of this never made sense, and alot of ppl know that. i say hes ignorant because he doesnt use common sense/logic, i may live in canada but i would care if 2500+ people were killed in an accident like this, besides i have family in new york, and one of them works for elevator maintanance, he couldve been threr so yeah....