92 talon tsi vs 94 celica with a 3sgte swap, which would b faster Options

[gone9420]

my last car was a 92 tsi with full 3'' exhaust and a underdrive pulley. but when i was driving it home one day the oil filter came loose and it blew up. now my question is does anybody know if swapping out the motor in my 94 gt would be faster than just rebuilding my eagle.

[94STcoupeKyle]

first of all what motor were u thinking about swapping into it???

[lagos]

its hard to say . those talons are quick and easy to mod. on the downside they are heavy and the awd will slow you down on the highway.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Both cars can be down-right fast of course. But stock for stock, heres my opinion- A swapped Celica will be a little quicker than a stock Talon. Both are certainly quick, but I know a couple people with stock DSM's and they aren't as fast as a 3SGTE swapped Celica.

However with a blown 4G63 you can rebuild the motor with the 1st gen bottom end and the 7-bolt top end like alot of DSM guys do, and make that thing really fly for about the same or less money as a swap in the Celica. This would be my reccomendation, because you can get alot of go-fast parts for less money for your Talon and keep the Celica a daily driver, ultimately saving you money in the long run.

My .02

[jayi12-15psi]

I think those 1st gen dsm's are gross looking though

[hitcachi]

ya but they are also the fastest. But ya, i hate the wedge.

[burneeed]

dsm's arent really hard to modify and make them pretty quick. Only problem is they break very easily. Gone 9420 Do I know you? I swear I have heard that story before from someone who asked me what they would have to do to a gt to swap ... I live in Pittsburgh.

[celi_gt_racer]

can you guess what i have to say about 6bolt dsm's??

[gone9420]

the 3sgte motor is wat i was talking about swapping. but i think silver94celicaowner is rite rebuilding the talon would be cheaper and keeping the celica n/a for my daily driver would be my best bet but i really like the turbo celicas i see on this site. burneed i dont think i know u but were at in the burgh do u live. im up by slippery rock u if u know where that is.

[lagos]

can you guess what i have to say about 6bolt dsm's??

yes i can. by your looks and the clean clothes you have on, i can tell that you just bought the car when that pic was taken. i dont see any random oil stains on your clothes, yet.... but im assuming you have them by now. lol

once you own the car for a few months, youll get this pissed off look on your face that most mechanics have, from having to fix your car on a weekly basis. youll also become much more muscular from having to shift the horrible tranny and the back breaking ACT 2600 clutch all the dsm guys told you to get...lol

nice car tho, i have always had a sweet spot in my heart for DSMs. yours looks like its in great shape for a 1g.

[Akimbo]

1g bottom and the 7 bolt top for the WIN!

edit:

However with a blown 4G63 you can rebuild the motor with the 1st gen bottom end and the 7-bolt top end

nm i got beat to it

This post has been edited by Akimbo: Mar 1, 2006 - 6:40 PM

[celi_gt_racer]

lol @ lagos.... i was only clean because the car was in-between breakdowns.... the mod list is pretty extensive though - it's an auto and will soon have a shep racing auto tranny for the track. it's mine and my dad's playtoy. Another reason i was clean atm is cuz i was taking senior pictures... lol

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I'm glad some people agree with me....I figured alot of people would tell me to shut up since the swap owns all around here.

Seriously though, i think alot of the DSM reliability gets a worse wrap than is neccesary. I have a shop called DSM Motorsports in my town here in New Jersey, and they do some sick stuff with the 4G63. I've seen alot of their cars and they run an EVO VIII as their shop car and have a 9 second Talon that I've heard alot of stories about. Definately a great and forgiving motor.

I know a few guys with DSM's and they all say they love them. Never heard of any major problems from any of them except some loose and cracking vacuum lines on a 1g GSX and of course the common ECU defect. Definately rebuild the Talon, its a good inexpensive platform.

[lagos]

I'm glad some people agree with me....I figured alot of people would tell me to shut up since the swap owns all around here.

Seriously though, i think alot of the DSM reliability gets a worse wrap than is neccesary. I have a shop called DSM Motorsports in my town here in New Jersey, and they do some sick stuff with the 4G63. I've seen alot of their cars and they run an EVO VIII as their shop car and have a 9 second Talon that I've heard alot of stories about. Definately a great and forgiving motor.

I know a few guys with DSM's and they all say they love them. Never heard of any major problems from any of them except some loose and cracking vacuum lines on a 1g GSX and of course the common ECU defect. Definately rebuild the Talon, its a good inexpensive platform.

the problem with those cars is that they have a great motor, with the worlds worst tranny, rear end and chasis build around it.

as far as the reliablity, its pretty bad. i know at least 6 guys that have them, and they pop motors, and change synchros ever 6 months.

dont get me wrong, i really love DSMs. they have a huge after market advantage over the 3sgte. you can get a dataloger for around 100bucks, and AFM remover, tons of turbo, exhaust , etc upgrades. its the cheapest, fastest car you can modify, but over time people get sick of having to fix things all the time and get rid of them .

[gone9420]

lagos is rite. despite all the cars i raced and beat fixing your car gets old. mine is just a fwd so i didnt have to worry about the rear end going out but i had to replace an alternator twice. the crankpulley was bad so it was ruining alternators and finally it threw my timing belt off, which everybody knows thats bad news in one of those engines. but here is the worst part of my story. 6 days after i got the head rebuilt ($1600) from the timing belt coming off the OIL FILTER came loose and blew my car up on the way home from mcdonalds. now if anyone has worst luck than that i would like 2 hear.

[creamed_corn]

dont get me wrong, i really love DSMs. they have a huge after market advantage over the 3sgte. you can get a dataloger for around 100bucks, and AFM remover, tons of turbo, exhaust , etc upgrades. its the cheapest, fastest car you can modify.

I'd say 5.0 fox bodies are definitely the cheapest, fastest cars you can modify

This post has been edited by creamed_corn: Mar 2, 2006 - 1:20 PM

[celi_gt_racer]

i'll partially agree w/ that 5.0's can be really quick w/ relatively little modification. I got a friend that ran a 7sec. 1/8th in a bone stock fox body 5.0 - w/ nothing but a chip change

[soulshadow]

wat kind of question is that? Just race and find out for yourself than tell the rest of us.

[gone9420]

wat kind of question is that? Just race and find out for yourself than tell the rest of us.

to do that i would have 2 rebuild or find a motor for the talon and then swap a 3sgte into the celica so no i dont think im gonna do that anytime soon. the purpose of the question was 2 see which was faster so i wouldnt have 2 build both 2 see. ya got it now.

[celicast3sgte]

1 Talon is faster, cheaper, but not reliable (we've all heard the law of cars right? you have an option of cheap, fast, and reliable. but you can only have 2)
2 Celica swap is fun but if you really wanna race fwd platform is not for you
3 (this is for 9420) this talon im working on is going for motor #3 car has only ran for about 10 hours under this owners name. (not because of my doing, he insisted on just motor swaps from another car despite my saying) so motor #3 hes finally going to listen.
4 Review #1
5 for your talon mods. run a 1g 6bolt crank & rods, 7bolt (2g) pistons, with a 2g head. it requires some modifing to the rods but a good machine shop can figure it our or hit the dsm forums for a how-to of what needs to be done.

i think thats enough talking for now but i think its a majority ruling. fix teh talon, check that loose oil filter and keep the celi "DD"