Handed some v8 his a$$ last night, He wanted to race for pinks...HAHA Options

[burneeed]

yahh I dont think that was a gnx. Theres 3 of them here In pittsburgh I know all the owners. THose things are just nasty fast. The turbo spool on that car is unreal. I think the stock 1/4 times is in the high 12s The first year they were produced they were beating corvettes.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

^^The gearing of the car has nothing to do with the motor. My buddy has a 88 Comaro with the 5 liter 305, and it's a good motor. They are very diverse motors. You can't compare them to anything for that reason. Maybe your friends particular 305 is junk, but they all aren't. I was comparing it to the 302, and I still am, because those motors came in a ton of things. Trucks, sports, and sedans. Same as the 305 came in all three of those too. The Chevy 307 is junk. Are you sure your not thinking of it? I don't think they ever put it in a Comaro though. With the Toyota motors, all you have to do is see a couple and you know what kind of motor they are. The those 5 liter Domestics, they just have to be of a variety to make judgement unless you've really seen that particular motor in what ever car upclose.

EDIT: This post was in response to creamed corn's post. I took too long typing it.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Mar 12, 2006 - 10:25 PM

[Fastbird]

the 305 is like the 7afe of v8's

No it's not. The 305 car be a great motor. I like them. They're smaller than the classic 350, but everything is almost idintical to it. Most parts are interchangable with them. I would have been really impressed if you beat a Grand National, those are always fast. The Monte Carloes car be really fast, but not so much in stock form. There really isn't a Toyota motor you can compare the 305 too. The closest thing I can compare it to is the 302 Ford, or the 304 AMC. All those motors have huge potential. I've heard that the 305 are better reving motors than the 350s, but I'm not sure if that's true. It doesn't really make sence to me.

Are you kidding? The 305 is absolute garbage; my friend loves Chevy, has an 88 Camaro with a 305, and he'll be the first to admit it. I can take his car in a straight line with my barely modded GT. As for "better revving," the 305 redlines at 5k and is geared super-tall. Of course it doesn't need to rev a lot to generate its massive amounts of torque, but it's still a cruiser motor and not built for straight line speed at all.

And Ford's 302 is in a whole other league; probably the best tuner engine in the world. Saying it's like the 305 is like saying the 7A-FE is like the 2JZ-GTE.

I wouldn't call the 305 absolute garbage. Your friends Camaro must not have the TPI 305 because that would walk a GT (modded or not) hard in a straight line. 100% fact. If it was a TBI or worse carb'd 305, different story. I've seen plenty of TPI 305's running low 13's high 12's without a ton of cash put into them.

I beg to differ about the 302 being the best tuner engine in the world. It used to be, but the new king is the LSx based series (Gen III and IV) GM OHV Pushrod V8. Period.

[creamed_corn]

^^The gearing of the car has nothing to do with the motor. My buddy has a 88 Comaro with the 5 liter 305, and it's a good motor. They are very diverse motors. You can't compare them to anything for that reason. Maybe your friends particular 305 is junk, but they all aren't. I was comparing it to the 302, and I still am, because those motors came in a ton of things. Trucks, sports, and sedans. Same as the 305 came in all three of those too. The Chevy 307 is junk. Are you sure your not thinking of it? I don't think they ever put it in a Comaro though. With the Toyota motors, all you have to do is see a couple and you know what kind of motor they are. The those 5 liter Domestics, they just have to be of a variety to make judgement unless you've really seen that particular motor in what ever car upclose.

EDIT: This post was in response to creamed corn's post. I took too long typing it.

No, trust me, the 305 is a very insubstantial motor that's not good for modification, and was never matted to any sort of transmission that effectively utilized the little power it did make. I'm not talking about reliability, market use, or driveability here (although the 305 is a decent cruiser motor), it's just straight up not a tuner motor, and in that sense, the 302 is light years ahead of it. For fun, check out some timeslips for 305 Camaros.... they're running times similar to our Celicas.

[creamed_corn]

the 305 is like the 7afe of v8's

No it's not. The 305 car be a great motor. I like them. They're smaller than the classic 350, but everything is almost idintical to it. Most parts are interchangable with them. I would have been really impressed if you beat a Grand National, those are always fast. The Monte Carloes car be really fast, but not so much in stock form. There really isn't a Toyota motor you can compare the 305 too. The closest thing I can compare it to is the 302 Ford, or the 304 AMC. All those motors have huge potential. I've heard that the 305 are better reving motors than the 350s, but I'm not sure if that's true. It doesn't really make sence to me.

Are you kidding? The 305 is absolute garbage; my friend loves Chevy, has an 88 Camaro with a 305, and he'll be the first to admit it. I can take his car in a straight line with my barely modded GT. As for "better revving," the 305 redlines at 5k and is geared super-tall. Of course it doesn't need to rev a lot to generate its massive amounts of torque, but it's still a cruiser motor and not built for straight line speed at all.

And Ford's 302 is in a whole other league; probably the best tuner engine in the world. Saying it's like the 305 is like saying the 7A-FE is like the 2JZ-GTE.

I wouldn't call the 305 absolute garbage. Your friends Camaro must not have the TPI 305 because that would walk a GT (modded or not) hard in a straight line. 100% fact. If it was a TBI or worse carb'd 305, different story. I've seen plenty of TPI 305's running low 13's high 12's without a ton of cash put into them.

I beg to differ about the 302 being the best tuner engine in the world. It used to be, but the new king is the LSx based series (Gen III and IV) GM OHV Pushrod V8. Period.

The Camaro didn't switch to TPI 305's until 1990 and didn't completely do away with TBI until 1991. Then a year later they were gone. Too little too late.

And I definitely agree that LT1's and LS1's are great tuner engines, but you can still crack open a 302 and make it ungodly fast for-ass cheap. There are engines and parts laying around everywhere. For the dollar, you're still going to see the best gains from that motor.

[CelicaSTX02]

Grand Nationals were like turboed charge V8's, I think they could do 0-60 in like 5ish seconds. I am not sure though, thats what I've heard. But thats cool, beating any V8 with a 4 cylinder is awesome. I would've been crazy impressed if you did beat a grand national though......that would've been cool.

[BlackSTX]

Grand Nationals were like turboed charge V8's, I think they could do 0-60 in like 5ish seconds. I am not sure though, thats what I've heard. But thats cool, beating any V8 with a 4 cylinder is awesome. I would've been crazy impressed if you did beat a grand national though......that would've been cool.

Grand Nationals were V6s I'm pretty sure. That's one reason they didn't catch on with domestic guys. But yeah they were very fast.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

^^The gearing of the car has nothing to do with the motor. My buddy has a 88 Comaro with the 5 liter 305, and it's a good motor. They are very diverse motors. You can't compare them to anything for that reason. Maybe your friends particular 305 is junk, but they all aren't. I was comparing it to the 302, and I still am, because those motors came in a ton of things. Trucks, sports, and sedans. Same as the 305 came in all three of those too. The Chevy 307 is junk. Are you sure your not thinking of it? I don't think they ever put it in a Comaro though. With the Toyota motors, all you have to do is see a couple and you know what kind of motor they are. The those 5 liter Domestics, they just have to be of a variety to make judgement unless you've really seen that particular motor in what ever car upclose.

EDIT: This post was in response to creamed corn's post. I took too long typing it.

No, trust me, the 305 is a very insubstantial motor that's not good for modification, and was never matted to any sort of transmission that effectively utilized the little power it did make. I'm not talking about reliability, market use, or driveability here (although the 305 is a decent cruiser motor), it's just straight up not a tuner motor, and in that sense, the 302 is light years ahead of it. For fun, check out some timeslips for 305 Camaros.... they're running times similar to our Celicas.

I have a buddy who hooked a 6 speed from a late moddle Comaro onto his 305 in his 85 Comaro. And that thing really gets down that road. They make a ton of parts for the 350s, everyone knows that. And almost everything made for the 350's will fit onto the 305's. That makes them great motors for tuning.

Grand Nationals were like turboed charge V8's, I think they could do 0-60 in like 5ish seconds. I am not sure though, thats what I've heard. But thats cool, beating any V8 with a 4 cylinder is awesome. I would've been crazy impressed if you did beat a grand national though......that would've been cool.

Grand National is a V6 turbo. They were 3.8 liters, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think they every hit the 5 seconds in the 0-60, but they were still very fast. Really rare now.

[DG_Performance]

Ok, this was supposed to be a funny post about some goof thinking just cause he had a v8 he was going to kick my 4 cyl a$$.
It now turned into a big debate.
My point, don't judge a book by its cover!
Some ignorant guy got owned cause he knew nothing about a MR2 and it was fun to prove a point the way i did it!
DG

[Supersprynt]

^^ Yes, my car looks like something you'd find in a swamp and simply because some dude in a 350z thought it'd be funny to try and mock me did I have to hand him an ass-shot of my car. He wasnt so gracious in defeat.

[DG_Performance]

The guy i ran had to hear my mr2 b4 we raced and did not pay attention to any of the warning signs (BOV, Loud Exhaust) HAHA!
Another bit of info for you guys....
You can hate to loose..... but dont hate the looser! I gave the guy i raced a thumbs up after for trying and he beeped his "General Lee" horn back at me.... it was funny!
^^^Im happy to hear that you were able to prove a point to the 350z, Great job!!!
I have a theory on this kind of stuff.....
The can of whoop a$$ you had for lunch that day was bigger than the can of whoop a$$ the other guy ate. On any given day some other guy might have been hungrier than you were at lunch time so dont fall for the same trick you pulled on him.

[tomazws]

It's really a sad thing the All Mighty Monte Carlo is such a weak car nowadays... Plus it didn't come with a standard transmission. I was THIS close on getting an Intimidator version Monte Carlo SS but dropped it cuz it's a freaking automatic..... :\ argh...

They need to follow Pontiac and Holden with their GTO/Monaro and beef up the Monte Carlo like the beast that we all know back in the days.

[Fastbird]

For whoever said it:

The F-Body (Camaro/Firebird line) got the TPI 305 in 1986 with the TPI 350 following in 87. Check your facts. I know because my primary vehicular interest lies with the GM F-Body. I've owned a total of 5 ranging from 84 to 99.

The GN has a VERY large underground following in the domestic world now, and yes, they were 3.8L V6 with a turbo on them.

[darksecret]

For the people fighting about the 305, um yeah the 305 can be a beast


^^^This car can take...

^^^this car, and this one runs mid 8's in the 1/8th.

As for a Monte Carlo, if it had a carbed 305 and was basically stock then yeah I would slap anyone with even a stock 5SFE MR2 or Celica that couldn't take one, in fact I would lay money on a 7AFE car if it's a '70's Monte.

[Nat04Z06]

For whoever said it:

The F-Body (Camaro/Firebird line) got the TPI 305 in 1986 with the TPI 350 following in 87. Check your facts. I know because my primary vehicular interest lies with the GM F-Body. I've owned a total of 5 ranging from 84 to 99.

The GN has a VERY large underground following in the domestic world now, and yes, they were 3.8L V6 with a turbo on them.

You're off by one year Fastbird. The Camaro Z28 got TPI in 1985. I had an '85 Z28 back in the late 80's and drag raced that car every weekend for two summers. I poured every dollar I made into that car and barely broke into the 14's with it. Needless to say, I didn't make much money back then so I didn't do any major mods. Mostly bolt on stuff. It wasn't a fast car at all, but I had a blast racing every week!

[gt_driFFter]

Dave, which exhaust are you running on the mr2?

[Fastbird]

For whoever said it:

The F-Body (Camaro/Firebird line) got the TPI 305 in 1986 with the TPI 350 following in 87. Check your facts. I know because my primary vehicular interest lies with the GM F-Body. I've owned a total of 5 ranging from 84 to 99.

The GN has a VERY large underground following in the domestic world now, and yes, they were 3.8L V6 with a turbo on them.

You're off by one year Fastbird. The Camaro Z28 got TPI in 1985. I had an '85 Z28 back in the late 80's and drag raced that car every weekend for two summers. I poured every dollar I made into that car and barely broke into the 14's with it. Needless to say, I didn't make much money back then so I didn't do any major mods. Mostly bolt on stuff. It wasn't a fast car at all, but I had a blast racing every week!

I'll take your word there. I couldn't remember whether it was 85 or 86 that the TPI 305 came out. Dang it.

[Cutrara]

You dont have to tell the mods... but how about some pics dave?

[gone9420]

my first car was a 82 camaro with 305 and cross-fire injection. for those who dont know that was two throttle bodies sitting across from each other . probably y they called it cross-fire. but the point of the story is i had that car and my friend had a celica the same one i own 2day we allways raced in the park by our house and i always took him. he used to say he was missing shifts but after owning them both i know the camaro is still faster.

[DG_Performance]

I have never posted pics in the forum b4...i actually dont know how to do it??? or i could show you some pics.
I run a DG Performance 3" race setup on the mr2 also!!
DG