Swap Guys, Track Times, Here We Go....lol Options

[Akimbo]

Ugh. Pwned by FWD again

[brianforster]

track times arent everything

i think if you want fast in a straight line, everyone knows its all about american muscle

id rather have a clean looking (swapped) celi with power options, cd player, and a comfortable interior and run 14's, than run 12's in a stripped down gutted old muscle car

This post has been edited by brianforster: Mar 23, 2006 - 11:16 PM

[Digndoug]

track times arent everything

i think if you want fast in a straight line, everyone knows its all about american muscle

id rather have a clean looking (swapped) celi with power options, cd player, and a comfortable interior and run 14's, than run 12's in a stripped down gutted old muscle car

Its not the fact that its gutted or stripped, 'Its that it has more power, and rwd. RWD cars will allways be better on the track, a true sports car. A swapped celi is a very close alternative, and should keep insurance down too.

[nate95]

theres no way a stock 3sgte is only running a 15.7 in the 1/4 mile. my ST is running a 16sec. 1/4 the 3sgte has to be more than .3 seconds faster than my ST.

[Defgeph]

Fastbird, The only things I had where 10lbs FW, turbo back 3inch exhaust, and my W/A intercooler. The suspension was stiffened up quite a bit. Which helps a ton.

My advice, forget all these after market parts. Buy just one a ct27. It will put you right where you want to be. And it will probably save you a little money while your at it. Also in the long run you'll have less things to trouble shoot later on.

And one question. Why not do the swap yourself ? You seem very knowlagable with mechanics. Doing the swap yourself will teach you everything about your car.

GL

[scothaniel]

i think if you want fast in a straight line, everyone knows its all about american muscle

FWD cars can be very fast in a straight line - only its on the highway starting around 50 MPH! I've got FWD DSM buddies that suprise unsuspecting vette owners. Just as long as it doesn't require them stopping, then its nothing but screeching tires and cursing..

Still loving the AWD!

This post has been edited by scothaniel: Apr 2, 2006 - 3:07 PM

[bigal004321]

there is no way a stock celica st run a 16 flat...my GT cant even run that stock.

stock 1996 GT 16.4
1993 celica turbo 15.6

[Fastbird]

Fastbird, The only things I had where 10lbs FW, turbo back 3inch exhaust, and my W/A intercooler. The suspension was stiffened up quite a bit. Which helps a ton.

My advice, forget all these after market parts. Buy just one a ct27. It will put you right where you want to be. And it will probably save you a little money while your at it. Also in the long run you'll have less things to trouble shoot later on.

And one question. Why not do the swap yourself ? You seem very knowlagable with mechanics. Doing the swap yourself will teach you everything about your car.

GL

The CT27 is what I've been looking at, but that's going to be a down the road thing. ATS has definitely put together a nice package with that turbo.

I'm not doing the swap myself mainly because of how unfamiliar I am with turbo cars but more importantly, my amazing lack of electrical ability. I just don't trust myself doing a wiring harness, and yeah, I know I could have just sourced that out, but what you guys don't know is that I've got the midas touch, only I make things go poopie. I just have rotten luck at times, not to mention that with the motor build for my Trans Am I just don't have time for another project for myself to work on. Once the car is in my hands...that's another story. I'll have something to tinker with bit by bit and not something so daunting staring at me.

It's not that I'm so concerned with straight line traction I've got two 93 Trans Am's for that fix (heck, I've got a build in progress on my 93 Trans Am right now that we're shooting for single digits and 140+ trap speeds with on a full interior and air conditioning car), but I think it would be cool to say that "Hey, I took this stock unassuming Celica, had some work done, and lookie now as I blast through a low 13 run.

[presure2]

i think with GOOD tires, and a proper launch, mid to low 13's are possible with the FWD setup. just a matter of getting a really good launch.
jeff ran a 13.9 last year on street tires, with basicly no practice.
im sure he'll knock at least a few .10ths off the time this year with a little practice.
next thing you'll be hearing is the 5sfte in the 13s!

[Fastbird]

Well, my aim for the traction issues is going to be to get a 9-10" wide tire on the stock 15x7 wheels. Figure I'm running a 26x10.5x15 on a set of 15x8's for my Trans Am, same concept would apply to the 15x7 wheels for the celica. Obviously this would be a track only configuration (and to-from track obviously) but I figure with a sticky tire up front a relatively aggressive launch shouldn't be too difficult to attain. Hardest part I see is going to be overcoming the lack of power prior to the spool up. Two stage anyone??

I will say that I consider myself to be a pretty good driver. I normally pedal street tires in the F-Body cars to low 1.9 60' times with a Six speed. If anyone has ever driven one of those you know how easy it is to break traction too. Figure with some practice with the new motor in the Celi I should have no problems getting something decent.

I will admit that I'm probably going to be doing this on borrowed time on the stock half-shafts and tranny though.



This post has been edited by Fastbird: Mar 24, 2006 - 7:59 AM

[Rjb23]

there is no way a stock celica st run a 16 flat...my GT cant even run that stock.

stock 1996 GT 16.4
1993 celica turbo 15.6

The USDM 93 alltrac has about 20 hp less then the 2nd gen JDM 3s, also it is about 300 to 500 lbs heavier than a swaped 6gen. A stock 2nd gen JDM 3s in a 6gen will run low 14's stock.

A stock st will not run 16's try 17 or 18's.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

My very-tired, old, dirty whore of a 5SFE only ran a low 17 second run my first time ever on a track.

Most guys that track a swapped FWD Celica run in the low 14's with a fairly stock motor. Like everybody else said its all about utilizing the traction available and making it take off as quickly as possible.

[Fastbird]

You guys also have to remember that my car is going to be running a full 3" downpipe and exhaust, approx 15 PSI boost, ATS TB Inlet, FMIC, and a dynotune with SMT-6 piggyback. It should be pretty dang stout.

[Defgeph]

I'll give you some of my experience.

My car @ 12psi on the strip
street tires

If I dont feather the clutch on the launch. I wont have any traction till I shift into third. With feathering the clutch, I can launch very well with minimal tire spin.

@15psi
street tires

I could baby that clutch all I want, those tires are going to break loose. In 1st gear and in 2nd. I have absolutely no lag at all so this helps add to my problem of traction.

So far I seem to have better luck with 12 psi on the track. This year I'm going to try 12 & 15 psi on street tires. I have a feeling that 15 psi runs will be saved for the slicks.

Street tires just can hang on to the launch @ 15psi at all.

[Fastbird]

Exactly why I'm looking into a drag radial or DOT slick for the front stock 15x7 wheels. If I can get a 9 or 10 inch wide tire on the rim that should be a healthy enough contact patch.

[Rjb23]

Stock tires are 15 x 6 at best not 15 x 7

[Defgeph]

Exactly why I'm looking into a drag radial or DOT slick for the front stock 15x7 wheels. If I can get a 9 or 10 inch wide tire on the rim that should be a healthy enough contact patch.

I have hooser drag radials. I believe the size is 225, they give me about 9 inches of contact I'm gonna give those things a full workout. I'll have to double check on the size.
Do you live in Jersey? If so you should come out the the strip when we go.

Stock tires are 15 x 6 at best not 15 x 7

The stock celica rim is 15x7 which is what he means. Steelies are a differnet size.

[DG_Performance]

My celica ran a 14.1 on 14-15 psi. @ 100mph
stock suspension, full interior, system, a passanger, and 18" wheels.
stock ct26, full 3" exhaust, fmic, ats inlet, boost controller

My MR2 runs a 13.6 on same boost and basically same mods. @ 103.?
ran that number with a completely full fronk and full trunk cause i was on the way home from Def's house to PA when we hit up the track

the mr2 being RWD with LSD... is what helped!
DG

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: Mar 24, 2006 - 11:59 AM

[Fastbird]

Exactly why I'm looking into a drag radial or DOT slick for the front stock 15x7 wheels. If I can get a 9 or 10 inch wide tire on the rim that should be a healthy enough contact patch.

I have hooser drag radials. I believe the size is 225, they give me about 9 inches of contact I'm gonna give those things a full workout. I'll have to double check on the size.
Do you live in Jersey? If so you should come out the the strip when we go.

Stock tires are 15 x 6 at best not 15 x 7

The stock celica rim is 15x7 which is what he means. Steelies are a differnet size.

Yeah, I purposely bought my house 15 minutes from Atco Raceway. I presume you go to Island or Englishtown given that your profile says North Jersey??? I don't get up there too often but will make an exception if you want to do a mini-meet one day!

[Kadett]

In order to get as much traction as possible I will get the next parts. Tho not all parts are directly for traction alone.

TRD/Kaaz LSD
Tires, first Toyo T1R when they are worn i get Goodyear Eagle F1 GD-S3 (Best tyre out there) width is 225
Tein SS
Replacing Swaybars
Cusco Front Strutbar

When all of the above is not sufficient enough to get enough grip (also in corners) I will go for a standalone TCS like Racelogig. Or getting a AEM with RLTC

The only worries i have for the TCS is that i will get a lot of wheel hoppin.