different head/block combinations, frankenstein engines? Options

[blu94gt]

So I was thinking about stuff I had read on the Honda forums a long time ago.

Would it be possible to put a 3sge head/cams/valves etc on a 5sfe bottom end?

I know when I had my Prelude SI there were guys mating the H22 v-tec head and cams onto the H23 bottom end, the head just needed a couple small water jacket machinings and it would bolt up, guys were making a lot of HP with it. Didn't know if there would be some type of work like this done with our engines.

[HeavyStyle105]

i have heard of a 3sgte head on a 5sfe block before but i dont know if it works or not. no hard evidence.

[StreetRacing10PS...]

try searching.... http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=29579

[blu94gt]

try searching.... http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=29579

that one was a little more of an in-depth build than I was looking to do haha. Otherwise I didn't find much through searching, I just didn't know how cross-compatible different components like that would be.

[afroman]

If you want to know about the 5sgte or "stroker" check out mr2oc.com. they have a whole section about this hybrid.
-Aaron-

[blu94gt]

If you want to know about the 5sgte or "stroker" check out mr2oc.com. they have a whole section about this hybrid.
-Aaron-

I've read some of that stuff before when I was looking at getting an MR2. All interesting, but I was looking for non-turbo applications.

Thanks for the feedback so far though guys, I am glad that everyone on here is helpful

[Kwanza26]

1. Toyota's aren't hondas.
2. Headswaps are geared towards generating more horsepower... .2 liter of displacement ain't sh!t... in fact, it'll hurt horsepower generation
3. can't have your cake and eat it too... small 4 cylinders cannot possibly make good horsepower AND hold a good useable torque band at the low-end... the way the engine makes horsepower simply cannot generate both.
4. search. I've posted a lot with regard to the 5S bottomend and horsepower... so search.

[blu94gt]

1. Toyota's aren't hondas.
2. Headswaps are geared towards generating more horsepower... .2 liter of displacement ain't sh!t... in fact, it'll hurt horsepower generation
3. can't have your cake and eat it too... small 4 cylinders cannot possibly make good horsepower AND hold a good useable torque band at the low-end... the way the engine makes horsepower simply cannot generate both.
4. search. I've posted a lot with regard to the 5S bottomend and horsepower... so search.

1. I know, that's why I asked the question
2. I realize they're geared towards generating more horsepower, and displacement isn't everything
3. Who said I wanted a use-able torque band? It was just a general question lol
4. I did search, but I can only spend so much time reading a lot of the same info looking for new stuff before I get sick of it.

[Kwanza26]

1. I know, that's why I asked the question
2. I realize they're geared towards generating more horsepower, and displacement isn't everything
3. Who said I wanted a use-able torque band? It was just a general question lol
4. I did search, but I can only spend so much time reading a lot of the same info looking for new stuff before I get sick of it.

1. now it's answered
2. good... but if displacement isn't everything... why go through the trouble of building a 5SGE when a 3SGE can easily match it?
3. Why would you want to build a 5SGE if NOT for torque? There is no other reason.
4. If you cannot research... building the engine will be much harder...

[creamed_corn]

I have no clue why people even bother thinking about this. Why go through all the time and trouble for something that's just not worth it and only a handful of people would find cool or apprciate. There are so many better options. Just get a 3S-GE or a 3S-GTE. That motor has already been proven to handle 800+ horsepower. There's nothing that you're going to magically mutt together that can beat that.

[blu94gt]

I have no clue why people even bother thinking about this. Why go through all the time and trouble for something that's just not worth it and only a handful of people would find cool or apprciate. There are so many better options. Just get a 3S-GE or a 3S-GTE. That motor has already been proven to handle 800+ horsepower. There's nothing that you're going to magically mutt together that can beat that.

I guess I'll just end this thread lol I was just curious is all. If it's gonna not be worth it then I'll just sell the Celica and get something faster like an MR2, these cars are too ****ing slow and not worth the money. The only reason I asked is I was thinkin about the honda stuff, almost everything could bolt onto a different series engine. A guy took an accord F series block with a Prelude H22 head and H23 pistons, some other crank threw it together in a weekend and untuned it made like 260 at the wheels. For the money some of you guys put into these cars you could get real performance cars that would still run circles around your modded Celi's.

/end thread

[creamed_corn]

I have no clue why people even bother thinking about this. Why go through all the time and trouble for something that's just not worth it and only a handful of people would find cool or apprciate. There are so many better options. Just get a 3S-GE or a 3S-GTE. That motor has already been proven to handle 800+ horsepower. There's nothing that you're going to magically mutt together that can beat that.

I guess I'll just end this thread lol I was just curious is all. If it's gonna not be worth it then I'll just sell the Celica and get something faster like an MR2, these cars are too ****ing slow and not worth the money. The only reason I asked is I was thinkin about the honda stuff, almost everything could bolt onto a different series engine. A guy took an accord F series block with a Prelude H22 head and H23 pistons, some other crank threw it together in a weekend and untuned it made like 260 at the wheels. For the money some of you guys put into these cars you could get real performance cars that would still run circles around your modded Celi's.

/end thread

Smartest thing I've heard all day.

Wait a minute, I just actually read that... A honda guy got 260 wheel horsepower from a new crank and different head? That sounds like a lot of bull**** to me. Getting over 300 n/a crank horsepower out of ANY four cylinder could never be that easy. However I'm willing to accept links for proof.

This post has been edited by creamed_corn: Feb 27, 2006 - 1:42 AM

[gamesteristj]

remember that old saying:
Theres no replacment for displacement
translated into there's no replacement for cu inches
well theres no replacement for cubic dollars either
anything is possible....

[b1gr3d]

i would liek to know abut this subject too..i have a low budget so it makes more sense to me to try THIS then to spend the money for a swap. If blu or anyone is like me they use the celica as a D/D not just as a toy to play with so keeping it running for as large percent od the time as possible is important. also not everyone has the cash to just go and buy a motor or even save for one let alone one that everyone wants to get their hands on....i want to see more on this topic

[Kwanza26]

i would liek to know abut this subject too..i have a low budget so it makes more sense to me to try THIS then to spend the money for a swap. If blu or anyone is like me they use the celica as a D/D not just as a toy to play with so keeping it running for as large percent od the time as possible is important. also not everyone has the cash to just go and buy a motor or even save for one let alone one that everyone wants to get their hands on....i want to see more on this topic

It will cost more to do an EXPERIMENT like this one than would it to simply buy a clip. Why? cause engine "parts" are typically more expensive than whole engines... and you're gonna have to find a LOT of mysterious parts...

[hitcachi]

My advice, bad idea and highly not worth the money. Also, Kwanza is speaking from a crap load of experiance, unlike me. So I would listen to him. Hes a mechanical god. But dont let me or him discourage you.