turbo vs. super, please input! Options

[97lestyousay]

I have two answers. I would say for a long stroke, low reving,
high torque motor like the 7A, supercharger. Higher reving,shorter
stroke 3s, Turbo.

[madmods]

This is going to be an interesting post, and lets keep it drama free. Moneywise, its probably really close,
as i can guess Manny probably has 2-4 +gs in his 5sfte and somebody with the 3s swap is 4-6. Sound reasonable guys? knowledge wise, turbo, theres plenty of experience on this site. We finally got 2 superchargers coming, and it might pave the way. Its starting from scratch with both of them.One looks to be full blown with a built motor, and the other a bit mellower.
Whats better? hell I don't know. Does anybody? Have we compared both of them? Dynoed? Ran track? Rolloffs? No Were all guessing. I haven't heard of a blown celica yet. Sure some camrys. We will have to wait and see. Anytime somebody comes up with a new swap, or awd conversion, big brake setup, etc we all benefit

[AllTrac96]

well put madmods we'll have to wait and see!

[burneeed]

4-6? Where did you hear that crazy number from? With all that your experimenting with blower and being that your the first person to really get into it the little amount that your spending on putting a blower in.. with the problems you might have you could possibly spent enough to get a full 3sgte swap. Your better bet is to do a 3s swap. Once you put that blower on do the bolt ons... I meen even if you built the motor..... your still stuck at only that blower... as if you have a 3sgte you can tune the motor with so many different turbo setups. It just opens the door to so much potential.

[madmods]

4-6? Where did you hear that crazy number from? With all that your experimenting with blower and being that your the first person to really get into it the little amount that your spending on putting a blower in.. with the problems you might have you could possibly spent enough to get a full 3sgte swap. Your better bet is to do a 3s swap. Once you put that blower on do the bolt ons... I meen even if you built the motor..... your still stuck at only that blower... as if you have a 3sgte you can tune the motor with so many different turbo setups. It just opens the door to so much potential.

I looked into doing the swap awhile back. Strict smog and goverment run smog checks stopped that ideal.
Theres no way around it. I personally have two choices, turbo the 5 or put the vortech on. Bottom line is, I have to keep a 97 or higher year motor in my frame.
I wouldn't say I'm stuck with a blower. It can be upgraded in different stages with different pulleys to increase boost. I'm going with the 5psi pulley and alltrac is going all out with the upgraded kit. I actually
expect it to be easier to tune then a turbo setup.

[Fastbird]

I have two answers. I would say for a long stroke, low reving,
high torque motor like the 7A, supercharger. Higher reving,shorter
stroke 3s, Turbo.

Actually, you want to be careful using any forced induction on a longer stroke/longer rod motor. You're slinging around more weight, and torsional effects on the crankshaft are dramatically increased. Had a LONG conversation with my engine builder about my 383 going into my Trans Am, the debate being whether to go with a 5.7" or a 6" rod with the 3.75" stroke crank. In the end it was deemed that the shorter rod would yeild the best compromise over it's strength and reliability with the longer stroke.

Not that this really applies that much to engines as small as ours. Just food for thought.

[burneeed]

honestly a swap isnt going to cost you that much money. A 5s motor isnt going to handle a ton of boost. Yes you can get different pulleys.... but your still not going to be able to boost real high with that motor. Its only when when you have a turbo and your boosting well over 15psi.... For the amount of money you will put into upgrading a supercharger + pulleys on a 4cly... you could possibly have a 3sgte. Yes I know emissions is tough everywhere. I pay a guy to pass my car everytime. Do you know anyone who could pass your car?

[lilsteeg]

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh i love not having emissions ha ha ha, but it doesnt matter, i have a nearly stock 7a, cept for intake, muffler, and advanced timing

[burneeed]

thats not even right.... I wish I had my car regged in oh or michigan ... no emissions + inspections.

[Shigexile]

i like both, nut i think i wanna go with the supercharger.
i like the blow off sound but lot of people has turbo these days.
i think the turbo will be a laggy setup but with the supercharger, i thik it'll be more of a direct power. maybe it will feel more like a NA engine?

[lilsteeg]

thats not even right.... I wish I had my car regged in oh or michigan ... no emissions + inspections.

well, some counties in ohio have emissions, i know my dad does, which sucks he just got a '00 mustang gt, and he cant do any exhaust for more power.

[LimitedST]

get both!

[madmods]

Yes I know emissions is tough everywhere. I pay a guy to pass my car everytime. Do you know anyone who could pass your car?

I use to when I lived in California. Out there almost any shop can run smog. Out here theres only goverment run smog shops. Maybe two or three per major city. They have been busted so much, its a felony to bribe them. Sure i want a 3s motor. Its built alot stronger then my 5, theres a ton of parts and knowledge out there. But I'm screwed living in Az. I got alot of mileage on my car, poor so I'm going to be happy with 200-220 hp.

[burneeed]

eh how much is the total going to be on the rip blower?

[brianforster]

all im going to say about the rippmods supercharger kit is

rising rate fuel regulator

that alone was enough for me to not buy it..

[lilsteeg]

get both!

i have seen it done before, pretty cool, not much use now-a-days with quicker spooling turbos

[CelicaZR]

I guess this is up to personal preferences.
I havent been in a supercharger car yet,
but I do like the feeling of boost on a turbo
car and the BOV

[Cavanagh]

i want turbo,i love that blow-off sound

amen. btw it seems to me like turbos are made 4 imports,not domestic muscle

[lilsteeg]

i want turbo,i love that blow-off sound

amen. btw it seems to me like turbos are made 4 imports,not domestic muscle

well no, back in the 80's for one year the trans-am was a 4 cyl turbo.
and jay lenno's twin turbo small block with 1000 hp

[playr158]

you see more SC on domestic because of the displacement they have...can take the advantages of the SC setup better then a small displacement 4cyl....

where as a small displacement 4cylinder can utilize a turbo better imo..