3sge engines, just wondering? Options

[qmoney10457]

Hey, I was just wondering how much hp does the 3sge engines come stock(not the "Beams" engines but the ones found in the early SSII's)? I'm just asking because I seen one for sale and I was just curious how fast they were. Thanx.

Quincy V.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Wow, finally someone interested in a non-BEAMS 3S-GE. Anywho, SS-II's came with 180PS (~177HP) 3rd gen 3S-GE's. Torque output will be similar to a 5S-FE. But HP output will go all the way to redline unlike the 5S-FE. How fast? I've been able to mess around with lightly modded RSX-S', heavily modded N/A 240SX's, Civic's with B-series swaps, and IS300's to name a few.

[celi94]

I've done a 7AFE to a 3gen 3SGE swap and that's the best thing i did on the car! The car is much faster and better to drive...

@BLADDER_MASTER: Did you modified your engine?

[Kadett]

Hey, I was just wondering how much hp does the 3sge engines come stock(not the "Beams" engines but the ones found in the early SSII's)? I'm just asking because I seen one for sale and I was just curious how fast they were. Thanx.

Quincy V.

Well
0-60 in 7.6 seconds
Top speed of 142 mph

There are different HP specs given for the 3rd gen 3S-GE
169 in the UK
175 here in Holland
177 in Japan.

But overall i dont think you could feel the difference, if there is any.
But the real question is not how fast the are from a stop or what there topspeed is. Just drive it above 5000 RPM and its a real beast. Pulling until 7200 RPM with everything its got is NICE

[Heytalktoryan]

well my car just came out of the shop (wrecked it ..hit and run) but yeha i was considering doing this swap..i wa s wondering how much money it initally cost you and how much you think it would cost to go into an 94 st? i know the tranny is fwd so will it bolt on into my celica?and cna i use the 3sge transmission?also, i was considering buying this engine....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOYOTA-CELICA-CAMRY-MR2-ENGINE-DOHC-3SGE_W0QQitemZ4630365050QQcategoryZ6755QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem..so what do you guys think lmk asap ..thanks

[qmoney10457]

I was thinking about swapping this engine? Do they come vvt or vvti? View this page:3sge

[qmoney10457]

Also, is this one I posted up a 2nd or 3rd Gen.?

This post has been edited by qmoney10457: Apr 14, 2006 - 1:06 PM

[Kadett]

The one posted in your ebay link is a 3rd gen 3S-GE same as sitting in my engine bay right now!

[BLADDER_MASTER]

@BLADDER_MASTER: Did you modified your engine?

Only has intake and exhaust.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Hey, I was just wondering how much hp does the 3sge engines come stock(not the "Beams" engines but the ones found in the early SSII's)? I'm just asking because I seen one for sale and I was just curious how fast they were. Thanx.

Quincy V.

Well
0-60 in 7.6 seconds
Top speed of 142 mph

There are different HP specs given for the 3rd gen 3S-GE
169 in the UK
175 here in Holland
177 in Japan.

Early model UK Celica's were rated at 173BHP, then after '96 they were rated at 168BHP.

Oh and I just wanted to add that a UK magazine did 0-60 in 7.2 seconds with a top speed of 128.6 MPH on a UK Celica GT.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

well my car just came out of the shop (wrecked it ..hit and run) but yeha i was considering doing this swap..i wa s wondering how much money it initally cost you and how much you think it would cost to go into an 94 st? i know the tranny is fwd so will it bolt on into my celica?and cna i use the 3sge transmission?also, i was considering buying this engine....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOYOTA-CELICA-CAMRY-MR2-ENGINE-DOHC-3SGE_W0QQitemZ4630365050QQcategoryZ6755QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem..so what do you guys think lmk asap ..thanks

The engine in that eBay auction is a 160PS 2nd gen 3S-GE. It's not worth getting because you're still missing components needed to do the swap like the ECU. To swap a 3S-GE into your ST, look at how others have swapped 3S-GTE's into their ST's. Practically the same procedure but with some differences.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

I was thinking about swapping this engine? Do they come vvt or vvti? View this page:3sge

3rd gen 3S-GE's never came with VVT or VVT-i. About the eBay auction, if the seller is selling just the engine, it's not worth it. Unless you're comfortable with sourcing parts.

[Heytalktoryan]

I was thinking about swapping this engine? Do they come vvt or vvti? View this page:3sge

3rd gen 3S-GE's never came with VVT or VVT-i. About the eBay auction, if the seller is selling just the engine, it's not worth it. Unless you're comfortable with sourcing parts.

in that case, know anywhere where i can find a 3sge engine?

[BLADDER_MASTER]

I was thinking about swapping this engine? Do they come vvt or vvti? View this page:3sge

3rd gen 3S-GE's never came with VVT or VVT-i. About the eBay auction, if the seller is selling just the engine, it's not worth it. Unless you're comfortable with sourcing parts.

in that case, know anywhere where i can find a 3sge engine?

http://www.justjapsimports.com/home.htm

Thats where I got my 3S-GE.

[Kadett]

Hey, I was just wondering how much hp does the 3sge engines come stock(not the "Beams" engines but the ones found in the early SSII's)? I'm just asking because I seen one for sale and I was just curious how fast they were. Thanx.

Quincy V.

Well
0-60 in 7.6 seconds
Top speed of 142 mph

There are different HP specs given for the 3rd gen 3S-GE
169 in the UK
175 here in Holland
177 in Japan.

Early model UK Celica's were rated at 173BHP, then after '96 they were rated at 168BHP.

Oh and I just wanted to add that a UK magazine did 0-60 in 7.2 seconds with a top speed of 128.6 MPH on a UK Celica GT.

Sorry that I had a full sound system in the car and 17 inch rims........ when driving that time :D

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Hey, I was just wondering how much hp does the 3sge engines come stock(not the "Beams" engines but the ones found in the early SSII's)? I'm just asking because I seen one for sale and I was just curious how fast they were. Thanx.

Quincy V.

Well
0-60 in 7.6 seconds
Top speed of 142 mph

There are different HP specs given for the 3rd gen 3S-GE
169 in the UK
175 here in Holland
177 in Japan.

Early model UK Celica's were rated at 173BHP, then after '96 they were rated at 168BHP.

Oh and I just wanted to add that a UK magazine did 0-60 in 7.2 seconds with a top speed of 128.6 MPH on a UK Celica GT.

Sorry that I had a full sound system in the car and 17 inch rims........ when driving that time :D

Oh ok. Gotcha!

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

BLADDER_MASTER, I have a few questions I'd like to ask since this is already shedding light on a pretty unknown subject, the 3rd gen 3SGE and you're the man to ask.

1.) What sort of setup did you start with, a full clip or just motor, ECU, harness, etc?

2.) What sort of wiring situation did you face?, i.e. a custom harness wired up or was alot of it plug and play with the chassis??

3.) Part availability? Maintainence issues of any kind?

Last but not least I'd love to see some videos in action, or I could just settle for some pics i suppose. Whatever you have I'd love to see it.


I'd appreciate any knowledge you can impart upon me. Thanks.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

BLADDER_MASTER, I have a few questions I'd like to ask since this is already shedding light on a pretty unknown subject, the 3rd gen 3SGE and you're the man to ask.

1.) What sort of setup did you start with, a full clip or just motor, ECU, harness, etc?

2.) What sort of wiring situation did you face?, i.e. a custom harness wired up or was alot of it plug and play with the chassis??

3.) Part availability? Maintainence issues of any kind?

Last but not least I'd love to see some videos in action, or I could just settle for some pics i suppose. Whatever you have I'd love to see it.


I'd appreciate any knowledge you can impart upon me. Thanks.

To begin with, I feel it's unknown because most people on this forum choose to fixate themselves to the BEAMS and 3S-GTE engines. I've been posting info on the 3rd gen 3S-GE for a long while. Look back at my posts and you'll see what I'm talking about. I keep trying to tell people to consider this engine, but yet the majority still go for the BEAMS. Yeah the BEAMS has the latest technology with the highest HP compared to previous 3S-GE's, but that comes with a price. Also, most people are HP and 1/4 mile freaks. So what engine is going to give them what they want? A 3S-GTE. I agree with Toyota and feel that the 3S-GTE should be left in an AWD or RWD platform and not in a FWD. You mix high HP on a FWD platform and all you're going to get is traction issues. Non-BEAMS 3S-GE's have also become unknown because of peoples failure to research. A lot of people don't bother doing research. You can't just go with what people say because most will tell you to get a 3S-GTE. Anywho, I just had to let that out since I've been holding it in for a while. If anyone feels different with what I said, feel free to comment. Now to answer your questions:

1. Basically I got the engine which included everything I needed to do the swap. People will tell you that you need a front clip, this is false. You can do this swap without a front clip, but if you want to play it safe, get a front clip. I've mentioned this before months ago I believe.

2. I took a 6GC engine and dropped it into a 5GC chassis. So I don't know if you could imagine the wiring nightmare I had to go through. But when looking at a USDM 6GC wiring harness, I noticed that a lot of the wiring colors matched the 3S-GE's harness. If you have a 6GC GT, swapping in the engine shouldn't be much hassle. You're still going to have to extend the harness. And I wouldn't be surprised if you have to re-wire a couple of wires. Get together with friends who are knowledgeable with wiring. Thats what I did. I got two of my Honda friends who have done numerous engine swaps and wiring to help me out with my mess.

3. Go to MR2OC.com. They have a thread where they list the part numbers for 3rd gen 3S-GTE and 3S-GE replacement parts. For Toyota oil filters, I just ask for a 95 MR2 Turbo's filter. For the O2 sensor, which you'll need to get for the swap, ask for a 95 MR2 Turbo's O2 sensor. Don't get the Bosch OEM O2 sensor, get the Bosch universal O2 sensor. When you see the price difference, you'll understand why.

I haven't taken any vids or pics lately. Right now the car isn't in the best condition. But you are free to ask me anymore questions you might have.

[qmoney10457]

I just wanna know where I can get a 3rd gen. 3sge with everything(tranny, harness, cpu and etc.) And I also wanna know how hard of a job will it be to get it into my 94 st? My boy does Civic/Integra swaps so will it be kinda similar or way harder 2 do?

[BLADDER_MASTER]

I just wanna know where I can get a 3rd gen. 3sge with everything(tranny, harness, cpu and etc.)

Again, this is where I got my engine from:

http://www.justjapsimports.com/home.htm

And I also wanna know how hard of a job will it be to get it into my 94 st?

Ask celi94 for help on that since he's done it.

My boy does Civic/Integra swaps so will it be kinda similar or way harder 2 do?

I couldn't tell you, but I do remember my Honda buddies complaining on how much of a pain in the ass my swap was. But keep in mind that my swap is different from yours.

This post has been edited by BLADDER_MASTER: Apr 15, 2006 - 3:13 PM