 3S-GTE Trannies, Worthy of the power |
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 Aug 28, 2003 - 6:48 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%)  |
Well with super's recent problem it is almost a certain fact the stock GT tranny will crush under the pressure, so what options does everyone have? Could everyone please list in possible transmisions that can take the power? include what car they came from, and possibly their designation code. Maybe even list tranies that will bolt but wont last, I'll make a list in this post and keep it updated, maybe worthy of a sticky in this forum. Also include if the tranny comes with a LSD or if its available for it... Thanks.
Ready for the power (this can take almost anything you throw at it) 1. Camry v6/ Solara Code: E-153 2. MR2 Turbo Code: E-153 (used with 3s-gte) LSD included on 94+ Who Knows (bolts to a 3S-GTE, but it could work and it could fail) 1. Celica GT Code: S-54 (used with 5s-fe) 2. Celica SSII/SSIII Code:?? (used with 3s-ge) LSD available AM (this could be a different version of the s54!?) 3. Curren Code: ?? (used with 3s-ge) (this also is a different version of the s54, rumored to be stronger) Cannot be Used (bolts to a 3S-GTE but won't work in a FWD Celica) 1. Altezza Code: ?? (used with 3s-ge) for RWD This post has been edited by Chrobis: Mar 15, 2004 - 1:11 AM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:05 PM
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The following trannies will work with a FWD 3S-GTE setup: - Tranny from MR2 Turbo and V6 Camry / Solara <E-153> - Tranny used with the 3S-GE motor <don't not the tranny code> - Tranny used with the 5S-FE <S-54> The only unreliable tranny would be the S-54... I would recommend using the E-153. If the 3S-GE tranny is an E series, then I would recommend that as well. Since I don't know the code... I can't recommend using it at this point, but I know that it will work. As I mentioned in my post in the B&S forum... those that plan on pushing there cars harder than 250+ HP... I would recommend a tranny with LSD... This post has been edited by kuya1284: Aug 28, 2003 - 7:24 PM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:12 PM
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To elaborate, Celica SS-IIs and SS-IIIs have the 3S-GE, along with some Toyota Currens.
Not any tranny that mounts up to a 3S-GE will work though. For example, an Altezza tranny wouldn't work, because the car is rear wheel drive. -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It should work Coomer. My E153 is from an MR2 Turbo (RWD), and it works just fine... You did bring up a good point... NOTE: I said *should*, but it would be nice if this could be confirmed. I don't see why it wouldn't work. |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I believe the following will work as well:
A241E => MR2 NA AT S51 => MR2 Turbo AT |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
the mr2 tranny need some reworking though right? and if so how much reworking? and I'm guessing the same for the camry tranny?
And what about the ss-II and ss-III , they used the same trannies right? ok on the auto trannies wouldn't you need to change the shifter assembly also, isn't it kinda hard to do that... and whats the point on an auto 3s-gte.... This post has been edited by Chrobis: Aug 28, 2003 - 7:26 PM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Sorry for the multiple (quick) posts, but I just found a site with some interesting information. Now if this site is ACCURATE, then I wouldn't trust the tranny that's used with the 3S-GE either. Why? Because apparently, it also uses the S-54 or some other S-series trans.
On to the link: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/997...Transaxles.html Again, I would recommend using an E-series tranny (FWD or RWD, NOT AWD) for high HP applications. Also note that this page doesn't list newer year ranges... So I don't know for certain what trans type the Altezza uses... This post has been edited by kuya1284: Aug 28, 2003 - 7:31 PM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There are people that prefer to drive AT rather than MT, which is why I listed those. AT's are just as reliable as MT's, they just aren't as fun to drive... Also... you may want to reference this useful page: http://celica.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?u...c;f=40;t=000028 This post has been edited by kuya1284: Aug 28, 2003 - 7:34 PM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
SO the "E" series designates more along the lines of a high power, more "racing" aplication tranny?
I guess another question is was the tranny changed with the "BEAMS" series 3s-ge's? And again how much modification was needed on the E-153? Neverstop was saying you have to use the 5s-fe bell housing when using the 3s-ge tranny. Was the same required on the e-153? (I dont know what a bell housing is, enlighten me please) My guess is they probably used a better tranny with the 6th gen 3s-ge's because power output was increased, especially on the beams engines. |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 7:50 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yes
That's what I'm trying to figure out... if it was changed, I'm pretty sure Toyota would've used an E-series tranny... but I saw a post with an is300 owner saying he has a S54... it could be that he's not sure of what he's talking about... or they probably do in fact use the S54... Maybe the S54's used with the 3S-GE's are built stronger... dunno...
There was a reason why I posted that link to Celica.net But to add... NO you do not need to change the bell housing with a E153 ... and you may need to use a different speed sensor (i.e. the one that comes with a clip) ... and the axle setup they discussed is different from mine ... I believe those instructions were intended for a 5th gen swap... axles-wise (maybe) ... but overall... it'll still work... The bellhousing is basically the outer shell: bellhousing This post has been edited by kuya1284: Aug 28, 2003 - 7:56 PM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 8:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
does the E-153 come with a LSD? or is it available after market?
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Aug 28, 2003 - 8:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
later 94's in the US (I think) and all 94 through 99 JDM come with LSD... Now this is for the MR2T... I'm pretty sure that the Solara's don't have LSD... This post has been edited by kuya1284: Aug 28, 2003 - 8:26 PM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 8:28 PM
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Kuya, the tranny your selling is outta an MR2T correct? Now im unsure, and I should look cuz its probably the same in my brothers MR2 N/A, but is the the engine fitted the same as with the Celicas? If not then wouldnt the bellhousing have to be changed?
In addition, if i was to get the E153, why not use the axles from the MR2T, instead of outters from 91 Camry? This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 28, 2003 - 8:33 PM -------------------- |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 8:34 PM
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Yes, it's out of a 95 JDM MR2T. The NA and Turbo trannies are different... NA = S54 Turbo = E153 Yes, it will fit just fine... My Gen 3 3S-GTE is sitting inside my engine bay with an E-153 (with LSD) bolted... the bellhousing was not changed... my current dilemna is having to buy LSD inner axle shafts... which costed me $400 for the pair... I just have to wait for those to come in... then I'll be boostin... The inner half-shafts need to be MR2T axles (LSD or non-LSD type, depending if you decide to install the LSD)... With my application, I'm using 88-91 V6 Camry outter half-shafts to make this work... you cannot use the full MR2T axles because 1. They're too short 2. The outter shaft will not connect to your hub (as I understand it) This post has been edited by kuya1284: Aug 28, 2003 - 8:37 PM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 8:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
so if you get a different tranny, what needs to be replaced? Bellhousing stays the same, but whats this about the axcels and half shafts and such?
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Aug 28, 2003 - 9:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
What I may want to do is get the E153 but wait on the LSD for now because i'll only be pushing 240hp and I dont have the cash. To my understanding that tranny will work with the MR2T transaxles, or am I confused...again.
We shoulda gotten a chatroom for this topic This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 28, 2003 - 9:07 PM -------------------- |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 10:01 PM
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Good point Ray...I didn't think of that.  Didn't your MR2 tranny require some modification in order to work?
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Aug 28, 2003 - 11:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Everything regarding the E153 into a FWD swap is all pretty much covered in the link I posted...
The following image should give a better explanation of the axles:  Super, now in your case, if you just get the tranny with no LSD, then you can use the standard MR2T inner shafts. But if later you decide to go with LSD, you'll need the MR2T inner shafts that's designed for LSD. But this is only if you go with the factory LSD. If you go with a Quaif or Kaaz LSD, I believe the make an application that will work with the standard MR2T inner shafts. I hope this clears things up for you guys. |
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Aug 29, 2003 - 1:45 AM
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hu, didnt know that the mr2-T had the option of an auto tranny -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Aug 29, 2003 - 2:24 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yeah... I didn't think so either... I could be misinterpreting what I read... my bad if I did... I coulda sworn that the Toyota AT trannies began with an A. So I could be wrong here. |
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