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[bloodrain]

any time you put an engine in a car that it didnt come with, your always going to see problems :-p

[Mynzeyes]

it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING.

I agree with everything you said except the above sentence. There are a number of us that have running swaps and, although getting the bugs out takes time and money, most are fairly reliable once sorted.

it's a ratio. compared to people that have celicas w/ 3sgtes, the ones that are running PERFECTLY, with no bugs what-so-ever, like a stock car, are rare. most have things like speedo's not working, or vacuum problems, or bla bla bla. things that do not warrant a "running car". i should have specified that i meant a car that ran as if it were stock, with no problems, other than required maintenance, such as an oil change.

[Supersprynt]

but what is the point in having a fast car? You just dumped $4000 into a swap, and can pass most things on the road, but once they turn off on the next block, does it really matter if you won or not? To me body kits make more sense, ya speed is fun, but having a nice looking car will get you more attention.

You get your jollies from people looking I get my jollies from driving my car. Maybe power is pointless to you but its not to me. I've spent money on making my car perfect for me, not people looking.

And once you pass those people who you desire to look does it really matter if they looked or not? Same argument can be posed with both looks & power.

it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING.

I agree with everything you said except the above sentence. There are a number of us that have running swaps and, although getting the bugs out takes time and money, most are fairly reliable once sorted.

it's a ratio. compared to people that have celicas w/ 3sgtes, the ones that are running PERFECTLY, with no bugs what-so-ever, like a stock car, are rare. most have things like speedo's not working, or vacuum problems, or bla bla bla. things that do not warrant a "running car". i should have specified that i meant a car that ran as if it were stock, with no problems, other than required maintenance, such as an oil change.

You dont get perfection when you build something like this. Its something you need to deal with before you decide to do a swap.

[bloodrain]

but what is the point in having a fast car? You just dumped $4000 into a swap, and can pass most things on the road, but once they turn off on the next block, does it really matter if you won or not? To me body kits make more sense, ya speed is fun, but having a nice looking car will get you more attention.

You get your jollies from people looking I get my jollies from driving my car. Maybe power is pointless to you but its not to me. I've spent money on making my car perfect for me, not people looking.

And once you pass those people who you desire to look does it really matter if they looked or not? Same argument can be posed with both looks & power.

I couldnt agree more, thats why the next car im getting should have some power and looks, probably the STi, im not gonna mod it, except for guages, i love guages, who knows..

[Mynzeyes]

You dont get perfection when you build something like this. Its something you need to deal with before you decide to do a swap.

which is the point i was making, as to why people sometimes just go for looks. so, thank you, for helping prove my point. .

[lagos]

it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING.

I agree with everything you said except the above sentence. There are a number of us that have running swaps and, although getting the bugs out takes time and money, most are fairly reliable once sorted.

it's a ratio. compared to people that have celicas w/ 3sgtes, the ones that are running PERFECTLY, with no bugs what-so-ever, like a stock car, are rare. most have things like speedo's not working, or vacuum problems, or bla bla bla. things that do not warrant a "running car". i should have specified that i meant a car that ran as if it were stock, with no problems, other than required maintenance, such as an oil change.

as somone who has a perfectly good running swap, and as somone who has helped a lot of other swapers fix their cars, i can tell you my honest opinion.

if you want a car where you never pop the hood open, and sometimes let the oil changed go too long. then a 3s swap is not for you. it really has nothing to do with the fact that its swaped or a 3sgte. this rule would apply to any High powered motor. turbo or NA. if you buy an evo, sti , fordV8, supra, etc.... you have to pop the hood once in a while, check your oil, make sure you IC piping didnt blow off, replace the clutch when it cant hold your power level any more, or in the extreme case, replace the motor when you pushed it too far with your mods.


the problems you see people having with their swaps. all come from the fact that for 99% of people, this is their 1st time EVER installing a motor or working on a car. speedo problem, is an OLD issue from wiring harness work that was done by this guy Mike, a long time ago. these harneses get resold and the new owner has to fix a few wiring that they last guy didnt know how to. vac probllems, are an issue for people who didnt buy a clip and coulnt lable how everything goes. then they have to go back and fix everything..


ive owned my swap for 2yrs now. there was defitenly some work i had to do after i got it running to make things run perfectly.... but looking back, the only problems i had were for things i did wrong.
i had my car "brake down" on me 2 times. once when my IC piping blew off because i used cheap clamps. and once when my axel fell out because i striped the bolts on the bracket that holds it. other then that, it alwasy takes me where i need to go, and has been my daily driver ever since.

This post has been edited by lagos: May 9, 2006 - 11:42 AM

[Supersprynt]

You dont get perfection when you build something like this. Its something you need to deal with before you decide to do a swap.

which is the point i was making, as to why people sometimes just go for looks. so, thank you, for helping prove my point. .

I dont get it? Where was this point made?

[Mynzeyes]

You dont get perfection when you build something like this. Its something you need to deal with before you decide to do a swap.

which is the point i was making, as to why people sometimes just go for looks. so, thank you, for helping prove my point. .

I dont get it? Where was this point made?

in the above statements, and again here:

...some people just don't think the celica is worth the money it takes to make it quasi-fast, because it also destroys the reliability and gas milage of the car, which is what IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. if you don't believe me, look at ALL the people who have done 3sgte swaps, or any swaps. then look at the down-time during the swaps, then look at the downtime after the swaps were "done", then look at the nickling and diming thta happens after the swap...

that you don't get perfection with it, and that's why some people don't think it's worth it. despite what you think, you agreed to a point. deal with it. thank you, drive through please.

This post has been edited by Mynzeyes: May 9, 2006 - 1:18 PM

[Supersprynt]

I agreed that you dont get perfection, and if thats why some people dont do it thats their perogative. However, the swap isnt for everyone. I have the means to have a second car and the Celica is my hobby. I care not what the car was designed for, because I have changed the car and I have designed my own for me. I dont nickel and dime anything, and fast is subjective. Everything can be fast or slow depending on what you compare it to. Compared to a stock GT, my cars a rocket ship. Compared to a Z06, I'm the tortoise and he's the hare.

If your point is: people dont do swaps becaue of loss of mpg, reliability and high maintenance. Then I of course agree with you. All of that needs to be taken in to account. But those who have done swaps are not complaining about mpg, reliability or high maintenance because it comes with the territory.

Are you out of Midol John?

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 9, 2006 - 3:44 PM

[Mynzeyes]

If I agreed to a point, ok then that means I agree with a point.

Are you out of Midol John?

nah, you just seemed like you didn't want to actually agree with what i said, and tried to disprove me. so, i pointed it out.

just bc you get called on trying to call someone out, doesn't mean that they have to be PMSing. it just means you were wrong. it's ok to be wrong sometimes. everyone is.

[bloodrain]

simmer down children, this thread is about ricer, not is it worth it to do a swap, lol.

[Mynzeyes]

simmer down children, this thread is about ricer, not is it worth it to do a swap, lol.

It morphed to that, by people calling people that do exterior first "ricers". wheeeeee. debates are FUN.

[95CelicaST]

Everyone can go back and forth all day about what is the better; Engine or Exterior, but the whole point that everyone seems to be missing is that saying, "To each his own". Everyone's car is their own canvas, let them paint it how they want. If you disagree, then keep it to yourself and show some respect to those who share the same passion as yourself.