Controlling boost for better traction, and other means of improving grip Options

[playr158]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/INFINITI-AL...072718885QQrdZ1

[lagos]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PROJECTSILV...bayphotohosting

here is antoher one that might work . we would just need to figure out the measurements to make sure it will work for us

[playr158]

well with pretty much any shock...given a few hours i could come up with a bracket to place it in the right spot depends where you want to mount it though...firewall, strut housing?

[jgreening]

well with pretty much any shock...given a few hours i could come up with a bracket to place it in the right spot depends where you want to mount it though...firewall, strut housing?

I wouldn't mount a torque bar to the strut housing...LOL.

[lagos]

the bar should go in the same factory location as the stock alltrac one does. seeing as how the factory one is just a solid piece of metal, this would be a cool project/product for jeff, DG, or anyone else that can weld. it would also be a lot cheaper then anything on ebay.

fyi ... we cant use the factory alltrac one because its too short for our 6th gens.

you can see it in this pic. its connected to the top of the altinator bracket.



This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 12, 2006 - 2:39 PM

[Kadett]

What I find strange is that there isn't one on the ST205 engine. You should expect if they further evolve the engine a part like that is taken into consideration?!

[jgreening]

I think it would be better to mount a torque bar underneath the car and near the center of the engine. BTW, if you have poly mounts, I doubt that the addition of a torque bar is going to show any material improvement.

A torque bar serves the same purpose as poly mounts. Traction bars, which will be made by Speed Source for our cars, are different.

[CilverSeliST205]

For you guys with filled mounts, is there a significant increase in vibration over standard? Noticeable reduction of wheel hop? I was thinking about getting mine filled...

[Defgeph]

For you guys with filled mounts, is there a significant increase in vibration over standard? Noticeable reduction of wheel hop? I was thinking about getting mine filled...

I had alot of vibration when I first put them in, now its almost normal. I still get wheel hop with the new mounts, just at the track though. Maybe its the VHT.

[presure2]

ive noticed my filled mount starting to "chunk" out...wheelhop was still there, even with the mount, just not as bad...
it is getting worse again tho, maybe its time for another mount swap..i think i may try a diffrent filler this time.
the black roofing stuff dustin bought that one time seems to work really well..i think imma give one of those mounts a shot, see how it is.

[CilverSeliST205]

I think it would be better to mount a torque bar underneath the car and near the center of the engine. BTW, if you have poly mounts, I doubt that the addition of a torque bar is going to show any material improvement.

A torque bar serves the same purpose as poly mounts. Traction bars, which will be made by Speed Source for our cars, are different.

I read on rsxclub forums that quite a bit of people do torque damper + mounts combo saying that it decreases the wear on mount inserts and allows them to go on softer filler to maintain comfortable ride while still greatly reducing the wheel hop. Maybe you guys' inserts wouldn't need to be replaced so often with the use of that damper ?

[playr158]

well with pretty much any shock...given a few hours i could come up with a bracket to place it in the right spot depends where you want to mount it though...firewall, strut housing?

I wouldn't mount a torque bar to the strut housing...LOL.

sorry i was brain farting on terminology....i ment the same place where we mount the strut bar too....the frame/shell watever you want to call it is strong enough and i've seen on a few cars placed there...

but the way i see it is that the torque bars are ment to stop forward and backward movement so why not mount 1/2 on the back firewall that attach on each side of the motor? or sumthing of that nature

[phattyduck]

the bar should go in the same factory location as the stock alltrac one does. seeing as how the factory one is just a solid piece of metal, this would be a cool project/product for jeff, DG, or anyone else that can weld. it would also be a lot cheaper then anything on ebay.

fyi ... we cant use the factory alltrac one because its too short for our 6th gens.

you can see it in this pic. its connected to the top of the altinator bracket.

The factory all-trac piece just stiffens the mount on that side of the motor, it doesn't actually reduce engine movement, as far as I've seen. Are you sure you are correct that the part you pointed out actually is an engine damper?

-Charlie

[eggman40]

Its funny you guys mention the engine damper because i was thinking about yesterday. But what do you guys think about running a turbo xs dual stage boost controller? heres their description: Turbo xs dual stage - Its somewhere in the middle

"Dual Stage Boost Controller (BC-DSBC) US$249.00
The Dual Stage Boost Controller allows you to switch between two preset boost levels with the flip of a switch from inside the car. Got a high horsepower Front Wheel Drive turbocharged car that can't get off the line? Use the BC-DSBC to launch the car with low boost than switch to the second stage higher boost level for maximum top end power. "




I got mine in yesterday so ill post about my experience with it once installed. i paid 190 shipped for mine

This post has been edited by eggman40: Jun 13, 2006 - 3:23 PM

[jgreening]

Its funny you guys mention the engine damper because i was thinking about yesterday. But what do you guys think about running a turbo xs dual stage boost controller? heres their description: Turbo xs dual stage - Its somewhere in the middle

"Dual Stage Boost Controller (BC-DSBC) US$249.00
The Dual Stage Boost Controller allows you to switch between two preset boost levels with the flip of a switch from inside the car. Got a high horsepower Front Wheel Drive turbocharged car that can't get off the line? Use the BC-DSBC to launch the car with low boost than switch to the second stage higher boost level for maximum top end power. "




I got mine in yesterday so ill post about my experience with it once installed. i paid 190 shipped for mine

Unless the button is on the steering wheel, it will not help to have a dual stage boost controller if you are looking to use the first stage to reduce wheel spin on a WOT pull. Everything happens too fast. I have the Greddy Profec B Type I which has dual settings but the unit is dash mounted. There is NO WAY I could change settings in the middle of a WOT pull - it flat out would not be safe.

[lagos]

ive noticed my filled mount starting to "chunk" out...wheelhop was still there, even with the mount, just not as bad...
it is getting worse again tho, maybe its time for another mount swap..i think i may try a diffrent filler this time.
the black roofing stuff dustin bought that one time seems to work really well..i think imma give one of those mounts a shot, see how it is.

mine chunked out too. seems filling them last about 1 yr and then you have to redo them .

just wait a few weeks. we are going to have some proper poly inserts made for our cars. my motor mounts are being used as a prototype, but its going to take a few more week for them to start being made and sold.

[eggman40]

ive noticed my filled mount starting to "chunk" out...wheelhop was still there, even with the mount, just not as bad...
it is getting worse again tho, maybe its time for another mount swap..i think i may try a diffrent filler this time.
the black roofing stuff dustin bought that one time seems to work really well..i think imma give one of those mounts a shot, see how it is.

mine chunked out too. seems filling them last about 1 yr and then you have to redo them .

just wait a few weeks. we are going to have some proper poly inserts made for our cars. my motor mounts are being used as a prototype, but its going to take a few more week for them to start being made and sold.

do you think that insert will work with a JDM rear mount?

[lagos]

it will work for any car using GT front and rear mounts.

he also has alltrac inserts and ones for the mr2. so when its all done, i bet you can mix and match what you need.

[CilverSeliST205]

This 500whp SRT4 uses AVCR to control boost per RPM for better traction, no wheel spin in first on hard launch, little chirp in 2nd and 3rd :

SRT4 Forums

Lots of people on these forums are ignorant as hell so the thread is informationless other than this:

"constanly monitor tire spin anywhere through the RPM range in each gear , and dial it a little up or down either way , to find the exact spot where traction was present without tire spin."

"need to retune AVCR every time tire wears out to give in for more slip"

Just FYI

[jgreening]

This 500whp SRT4 uses AVCR to control boost per RPM for better traction, no wheel spin in first on hard launch, little chirp in 2nd and 3rd :

SRT4 Forums

Lots of people on these forums are ignorant as hell so the thread is informationless other than this:

"constanly monitor tire spin anywhere through the RPM range in each gear , and dial it a little up or down either way , to find the exact spot where traction was present without tire spin."

"need to retune AVCR every time tire wears out to give in for more slip"

Just FYI

Reading that thread makes me appreciate the 6gc community even more. A$$holes.