Feeler GB: Traction Control Bars, For those with power or with plans to get power Options

[jgreening]

come on people you have spent so much money on your cars, to make them more powerful, don't cheap out on something that will let you use that power. I believe that the main issue here is that this product has no reviews since it has not been made for 6gc yet, we do not know how much will it help, will it be worth the money, and will it put too much stress on susp. to mess things up and/or make maintenance tiresome.

The only way to answer these questions is have the guy build one for testing and if it would prove worthy $350 then i don't see a reason why people would 3s people spend that $$ on a gt4 bumper or jdm tails, instead on something as functional as a good traction bar.

Jay, can he build you one for beta-testing ?

I spoke to Carl about the traction bar. He indicated that it would not be a problem to build and would be functional (e.g. properly keep suspension geometry to optimize traction at all times). He will not build any unless there is a group buy with a minimum purchase. All of the time and expense for a manufacurer is in the prototype - not the production pieces.

[playr158]

i'd be interested

[Kadett]

Still interested, although i dont have any problems with Traction/wheelhopping or cornering.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

im "interested" and leaning more towards "im in" depending on the time frame were looking at

bboy

[jgreening]

1. Jay
2. Jerry (CilverSeliST205)
3. Eric (AllTrac96)
4. Jeff
5. BBoy
6. Manny (maybe)
7. Brianforster (maybe)
8. Kadett
9. Dan

Ok, I think this may be enough to get Carl to give me a firm price and some info on design and ETA. I will contact him and report back. He can use my car as a test mule as I will be there at the end of June getting a second muffler added in. I would guess we are looking at an August or later delivery.

Jay

[jgreening]

I just talked to Carl. He needs my car to determine whether he can make these bolt-on. Until he has the car, he will not be able to give me info on price or design. This thread will be open for a few more weeks until I go to see him. (my muffler is currently on backorder)

[CilverSeliST205]

1. Jay
2. Jerry (CilverSeliST205)
3. Eric (AllTrac96)
4. Jeff
5. BBoy
6. Manny (maybe)
7. Brianforster (maybe)
8. Kadett
9. Dan

Ok, I think this may be enough to get Carl to give me a firm price and some info on design and ETA. I will contact him and report back. He can use my car as a test mule as I will be there at the end of June getting a second muffler added in. I would guess we are looking at an August or later delivery.

Jay

I was just doing search in members rides for keywords "swap" "3sgte" "turbo" and i found that 70-150 members have these keywords in their profile. Assuming that 50% of that "plan on swap/turbo" and the other 50% actually did swap or turbo that means there is 35-75 members with traction issues In close future (this year) the demand for these will be even greater. After initial design is done the production cost should be way smaller, so Jay, mention that to Carl if he will be unhappy about results of this feeler GB. I bet that next year there would be at least 20 members who would like to get down on another batch of the bars.

Nik and Lagos are you guys even remotely interested? August seems like plenty of time to come up with some $$

[jgreening]

Carl will be interested if those listed don't drop out.

[Kadett]

Me never drop out. Celica 4 life

[jgreening]

What exactly do traction control bars do?

A few people have asked me this.

First, read the full-race article that is posted (reading that is the long answer).

Full-Race Traction Bars Article

The short answer is that they reduce wheel spin for greater traction in FWD cars that have enough horsepower to spin the tires.

The medium answer is that the lower control arms on the front of our cars have two rubber bushings that are designed to absorb vibrations in the suspension components to give a fairly smooth ride - similar to rubber motor mounts. Like rubber motor mounts, under higher than normal torque, the rubber bushings flex. In the case of motor mounts, this causes the engine to rock back and forth in the engine bay and eventually wear out the mounts. When the rubber bushings on the lower control arms flex, the wheel alignment changes momentarily (generally toe-in but also positive and negative camber - particularly in corners). This means that the contact patch of the tires are either not lined up straight or that less than the full contact patch is firmly planted on the pavement. What happens? The wheels spin on the ground easier. The easiest fix would be to replace the rubber bushings with brass ones but then you would add alot of unwanted vibration to the car and in the cabin. To address the problem without getting unwanted vibration, the traction bars hold the lower control arms in place to keep a constant suspension geometry and improve traction to the best extent possible (all other things being equal).

Hope that helps.

This post has been edited by jgreening: May 30, 2006 - 8:33 PM

[jgreening]

bump.

[eggman40]

Interested, but the price is a bit steep (maybe it will go down?) . Ill try to set some money aside for when your guy decides he will begin making them.

This post has been edited by eggman40: Jun 2, 2006 - 3:28 PM

[bigal004321]

Im in!

bigal

[jgreening]

1. Jay
2. Jerry (CilverSeliST205)
3. Eric (AllTrac96)
4. Jeff
5. BBoy
6. Manny (maybe)
7. Brianforster (maybe)
8. Kadett
9. Dan
10. Eggman (maybe)
11. Big Al

This post has been edited by jgreening: Jun 2, 2006 - 7:07 PM

[pimped6gen]

I'M 100% IN....

[jgreening]

1. Jay
2. Jerry (CilverSeliST205)
3. Eric (AllTrac96)
4. Jeff
5. BBoy
6. Manny (maybe)
7. Brianforster (maybe)
8. Kadett
9. Dan
10. _________Eggman (maybe)
11. Big Al
12. _________ Pimped6gen

[playr158]

1. Jay
2. Jerry (CilverSeliST205)
3. Eric (AllTrac96)
4. Jeff
5. BBoy
6. Manny (maybe)
7. Brianforster (maybe)
8. Kadett
9. Dan
10. _________Eggman (maybe)
11. Big Al
12. Brandon (Pimped6gen)

[jgreening]

Bump. My muffler will be here today so my trip to speed source will be SOON! Anyone else interested, post up. I think we may be able to do MUCH better than the $350 price.

[jgreening]

bump for more participants. I will be scheduling my trip to speedsource this week.

[jgreening]

I am going to try to go to Speed-Source friday. Last bump for more participants.