AWD Options

[fastcelica20]

Okay I have read many threads and im still confused. i've talked to baddica about his awd stuff he has. here are some pictures he sent me:







i was reading celiman05's thread about his awd conversion and he doesn't state how he did it. i will not be doing it because my cousin is helping me. he is great at fabricating and welding. but im not sure if baddica has all the stuff needed. someone help me out on things that are needed. YEs i do have the finances to do this. since baddica lives near me i could just scoop up his awd conversion stuff. well help me out. im very interested in doing this.

[lagos]

if you live around celiman05 and you have money, you should talk to his dad and ask how much he would charge to do it for you. its not an easy thing to do and you really have to know your stuff.

or if you really do have the money to do this, why not just buy the black one thats already converted and being sold right now on this site?

[fastcelica20]

if you live around celiman05 and you have money, you should talk to his dad and ask how much he would charge to do it for you. its not an easy thing to do and you really have to know your stuff.

or if you really do have the money to do this, why not just buy the black one thats already converted and being sold right now on this site?

^^ i live way far from celiman05. anyways well i want to learn to do things and 11K is outta my range.

[lagos]

YEs i do have the finances to do this

11K is outta my range.

so what kind of budget do you have for this project?

[snapshotgt]

YEs i do have the finances to do this

11K is outta my range.

so what kind of budget do you have for this project?

x2 ---> a AWD conversion costs as much, or more than the car in the B/S forum being sold here. I've heard around $15k.

~snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: May 29, 2006 - 1:25 PM

[celicasteve]

YEs i do have the finances to do this

11K is outta my range.

so what kind of budget do you have for this project?

x2 ---> a AWD conversion costs as much, or more than the car in the B/S forum being sold here. I've heard around $15k.

~snap

i highly doubt that! where is all that cost coming from? if you do all the fabricating yourself? Ill be doing it after i get the swapped st (hopefully..crosses fingers) i have a frind that owns a shop that does rollcages and fabrication, he gives me great deals..like back halfing my 1073 plymouth and doing a full cage for $2000! thats a 4 link also (i already had the frame and suspension)

This can't be much more work..ill probably add a cage also. the floors ont he 6th gens as the same (in the passenger compartment., the trunk is different)

Steve

[lagos]

its a lot of custom work and you need a lot of little stuff people forget about. pretty soon everything adds up to more then you think.

for starters you need to do a 3sgte swap thats at least 5 grand. if you already have one, you have to take your motor out and swap the awd tranny in . thats at least a grand right there to buy the tranny and a new clutch. then you need the whole rear end and drive shaft. probably need the suspension, and brake setup from the gt4 to make things work right with the new subframe. not to mention that you need to have done something like this a few times before to make sure you put the rear end on straight and that nothing will come loose and kill you one day.


for 11grand, the already converted and swaped one is a steal.

[snapshotgt]

YEs i do have the finances to do this

11K is outta my range.

so what kind of budget do you have for this project?

x2 ---> a AWD conversion costs as much, or more than the car in the B/S forum being sold here. I've heard around $15k.

~snap

i highly doubt that! where is all that cost coming from? if you do all the fabricating yourself? Ill be doing it after i get the swapped st (hopefully..crosses fingers) i have a frind that owns a shop that does rollcages and fabrication, he gives me great deals..like back halfing my 1073 plymouth and doing a full cage for $2000! thats a 4 link also (i already had the frame and suspension)

This can't be much more work..ill probably add a cage also. the floors ont he 6th gens as the same (in the passenger compartment., the trunk is different)

Steve

I talked to the person that has the converted st205 in the b/s forum, that's where i got the $15k number.

I agree with Art, that st205 is a HUGE steal, it already has a 3sgte swap, AND FULL AWD conversion with all gt4 OEM parts. Many experienced members here would tell you that the 11 k is great price.

~snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: May 29, 2006 - 2:28 PM

[celicasteve]

no doubt that is a steal!!! but im sure that i can do it cheaper, plus i have some one who build race car chassis and such so im sure that he could put it in with no problems. ill be looking for all the parts soon, it would be nice to buy a rear half cut

Steve

[fastcelica20]

man as im reading this, im thinking my awd aint going to happen then.

[Baddica95]

how much do all the awd parts usually go for???

[presure2]

well, your looking at in the neighborhood of 3k for just for a clean front cut, then at least another 2k+ or so for the rear, and thats if you can find a great deal.
and thats the easiest part.
unless you or someone you know that likes to work free is a master fabricator, (like celiman05) or you have VERY deep pockets to drop into a 10yr old car, it just aint gonna happen.

[Baddica95]

well, your looking at in the neighborhood of 3k for just for a clean front cut, then at least another 2k+ or so for the rear, and thats if you can find a great deal.
and thats the easiest part.
unless you or someone you know that likes to work free is a master fabricator, (like celiman05) or you have VERY deep pockets to drop into a 10yr old car, it just aint gonna happen.

well, yaa see, im the one selling the awd parts...they came with my st205 front clip and im pretty sure i have everything to make it happen, and im not selling it for much at all.. so i dont think a project like this is going to cost as much as people make it seem...

[celicast3sgte]

too many people are nay saying on this forum... its not going to help moral for this guy. so lets HELP him instead. celiman05 if you can think of any parts you dont see and had to buy to make ur swap happen. help out and post it. also ask guys like gt4wrc for pics of their under carriage so you can get an idea of what youll need.

STOP SAYING NO!!!!

..and im spent

[FORGMANN]

i have mentioned this so many times my fingers hurt typing it again .. as one of the old guys on this forum i have to say when your dealing with drivetrain and structual parts of a car doing things "cheaply" may seem great at first but i assure you in time you will end up paying more ..this a fact ...

there is no awd conversion celica in the US that even remotely impresses me in overall build quality except for rod millens 7th gen but he had unlimited budget . a few on this site had done it and i applaud them for trying to have a complete st205 as possible ..

anyone seriously commited to awd swap .. you really need to get a hold of a importer and get a roof cut st205 which will cost you 4-6k .. with this you will have everything needed to have a complete st205 .. gas tank, lines, floor pan, drivetrain ..etc.... this will save you a ton of money in the long run and if done correctly no one could tell it was converted .. you might even have a car that could bring some good money if you decided to sell later on

later this summer i will set up a thread full of detailed pictures of just about every inch of my st205 for all to use ..

This post has been edited by FORGMANN: May 29, 2006 - 8:25 PM

[celicast3sgte]

thanks forgmann for the help and the word to teh wise to do it, but do it right. i may just want that info here shortly

[celicasteve]

well the car im getting is already turbo...and fully built. a trans is pretty cheap.as noone uses theres for there swap.... there are plenty of race cars that are backhalfed..whats the difference??? its acutally easier!!

i agree try to help people instead of saying no, becuase every year there is more and more poeple doing it.

Again toyota is a master at re-using parts. don't think that the st205 is a totally different car! the driveshaft tunell is already there..so the fuel tank isn't in the right spot, that probably has to do with crash saftey..plus it gives the person to mount it rearward, to help with traction on the rear.

Im not saying that anyone can do this, it is a very seriuos matter you don't only indanger yourself but anyone else around you. This is only left to profesionals (or atleast looking over and checking).

And why hasn't anyone that has acutally done it, posted photos and give detailed instructions on whats was needed???

Steve

[lagos]

every year there is more and more poeple doing it.

really? where? because i only know of 2 that exist, and one of them is for sale.

[fastcelica20]

every year there is more and more poeple doing it.

really? where? because i only know of 2 that exist, and one of them is for sale.

^^^well you never know man. only a handfull of us here. there's the other million or even billion people. there could be some people out there who has done it but never came out. no one knows for sure. those are the only two you know because they're really the only ones who came out.

[Defgeph]

There is a red one in europe. It was a ST converted into a ST205.
It was mentioned here about a year ago.

If you have the means to do the conversion, do it. I would love to have AWD in my car. I have been thinking about doing it as well. Like noted above this is not something you can cheap out on. Everything has to be very well planned, calculated, and built perfect. Time, money, and skill is all it really takes. I hope you can pull it off, I would like to some day.

A how to in the future would be freaking amazing !