AWD conversion with 5th gen parts Options

[celica3sgte]

So who's the expert on this. I know that neverstop has done an AWD conversion. Would the only thing limiting this conversion with those parts be the length of the driveshaft? B/c I know people chop driveshafts all the time. You'd need a tranny, driveshaft, rear end, and driveshaft mount, and rear axles? Am I missing anything?

steve

[jdg371]

The rear end is what prevents people from doing this. You will need to remove the gas tank. Fabricate the mounting of the rear end. And hope that whole thing holds up. For the driveshaft, No room. Maybe for the driveshaft by it self. But the exhaust will need to be fabricated to "tunnel" itself to the end.

[presure2]

isnt the 5th gen narrower than the 6th?

[jdg371]

isnt the 5th gen narrower than the 6th?

hmm, Yea I think so..

[celica3sgte]

I've seen 3 cars with a fuel cell in the trunk. These are the pics that I have of conversions.




I'm wondering if you'd be able to use the e150f tranny, driveshaft, rear end and axles from a 5th gen and lengthen the driveshaft and axles if need be. Anyone have pics of the rear axles.

This post has been edited by celica3sgte: Jul 31, 2006 - 9:20 AM

[lagos]

i think the driveshaft and rear ended are the same exact thing on the st185 as the 205. i dont have any facts to back this up, but the st185 ones i used to have looked exactly like what i see in pics of 205s. so i think it would be totally possible.

you just have to figure out how to mount them to make this work.

[jdg371]

i think the driveshaft and rear ended are the same exact thing on the st185 as the 205. i dont have any facts to back this up, but the st185 ones i used to have looked exactly like what i see in pics of 205s. so i think it would be totally possible.

you just have to figure out how to mount them to make this work.

Thats probably true, Toyota uses parts from previous generations, its pretty smart. Why make something new of the same thing when they have it already??

[creis]

I would questions it, its going to be hard regardless but getting parts from a 5th gen all trac would be much easyer and cheaper. I think the 5th gen is shorter though, and narrower but I cant say for sure would have to tape measure em next to each other, either way, I dont think that converting a st/gt 6th gen to AWD is worth it, its sweet but if your gana go that far just import the whole car for race purposes, there is no real reason to spend that much on a daily driver. (not that I'm not guilty of wasting large amounts of money on my dialy driver)

if your looking at 5th gens, try looking at 4th gen all-tracs too, I would bet the 4/5th gens use mostly the same drive-train rather then the 5/6th gens.

[celica3sgte]

Well here's the thing. I feel you on that creis. But the thing is, in the future for as much power as I want, I have to go AWD. I have 262whp right now and the next step would be EMS and cams. And that would be pointless, I already have traction issues. I really don't want any other car besides the Celica b/c I really feel that you can make it very unique compared to other cars. I like the look of the Celica better than any other car aside from the Supra. I just have to make the Celica perform like other cars. So I'm doing my research now, and my Celica will probably be gone soon. But I will have another one in a couple years, and it may be a GT4 and it may be converted I dont' know. But I don't think it would all that hard to convert it. The hardest part would be getting parts, and having a chassis shop do the rear alignment.
1993 alltrac
wheelbase of 99.4
Length: 174 in. Width: 68.7 in.

6gc
wheel base of 99.9
Length: 174.2 in. Width: 68.9 in.(exterior)

And we know that the 5th gen and 6th gen hubs are the same so that axles fit. I wish there were more awd converters so they can do some 5th/6th gen comparisons.
I'm going to talk to my friend and get the specs of the 5th and 6th gen AWD driveshaft. Any other info would be appreciated.

steve

This post has been edited by celica3sgte: Jul 31, 2006 - 9:01 PM

[creis]

^ yeah with that much power AWD would be a huge help, else the hp is going to waste.

eh the numbers are resonably close, like enough to make em work just fine but your gana be fighting the mounting of the rear def. and struts and all that crap is gana be off (well struts may line up to the bult holes but dont know about there hight/travel range). the driveshaft would probably be the easyest to make but hard to get clearance, you can always tweek the exhaust around however. and a fuel cell is nothing major if mounted in the trunk.

[playr158]

why don't you just contact a company who imports clips and get a rear clip of the ST205

[WannabeGT4]

why don't you just contact a company who imports clips and get a rear clip of the ST205

That would be the smart thing to do.

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

mmkay this is juss mee thinking aloud.

has there ever been a coupe or vert converted to awd???

and if there hasnt i wonder how it would be done. and what would need to be done too.

[celica3sgte]

Wannabe I'll definetely do that just to at least get a base price. So is it true that in 2009 we'll be able to import 1994 celicas?

[WannabeGT4]

2009 for Canada... 2019 for United States.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/

Don't let that stop you though... There are already a few that have made it into the US via Canada... it's just that the legality of driving it on the open road is questionable.

[jdg371]

2009 for Canada... 2019 for United States.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/

Don't let that stop you though... There are already a few that have made it into the US via Canada... it's just that the legality of driving it on the open road is questionable.

just get a big truck and a trailer..

[rzanology]

if you order all the parts from a 205....shouldn't they just slap on?

[playr158]

no you'll need to fabricate brackets ect for it to mount up along with floor modifications in the trunk

[frosty]

Well here's the thing. I feel you on that creis. But the thing is, in the future for as much power as I want, I have to go AWD.

I here you on that! I'm getting a second job to pay for building up the power in my celica and for the amount I want it would make sense to have awd!

I really don't want any other car besides the Celica b/c I really feel that you can make it very unique compared to other cars. I like the look of the Celica better than any other car aside from the Supra. I just have to make the Celica perform like other cars.

yeah!

So I'm doing my research now, and my Celica will probably be gone soon. But I will have another one in a couple years, and it may be a GT4 and it may be converted I dont' know. But I don't think it would all that hard to convert it. The hardest part would be getting parts, and having a chassis shop do the rear alignment.
1993 alltrac
wheelbase of 99.4
Length: 174 in. Width: 68.7 in.

6gc
wheel base of 99.9
Length: 174.2 in. Width: 68.9 in.(exterior)

Yeah, I have been seriously considering using 5th gen all-trac parts since those cars were sold here in the states. From my research I found that it would be very easy to use 5th gen parts. You would mainly need some spacers fabricated due to the 6th gen being abit bigger. The driveshaft might have to be custom though, depending on the power output. I'm not sure what the 5th gen can handle.

[FreddyTheOthaMea...]

Does the GT4 use a fuel cell too or does it actually have a tank mounted underneath?