Tein Super Street/Coilover Conversation Options

[BonzaiCelica]

ok thanks, but these teins dont come with upper strut mounts right? Ok so i know that coilovers are smaller/shorter than the stock set up, 1 inch shorter than oem struts? So when it says 2.4 and 1.2 in the rear, when comparing these coilovers to stock suspension setup, whats the drop difference.

[808celica]

k after searching around i found this

http://www.d2racing.com/content/products/air_suspension

its said to be best of both worlds, a full coil system and air ride. its pretty much air bags with adjustable dampening. input??? its a nice heft $3,700 which im down for throwing to get the height i want/need anytime with dampening adjustability.

which goes onto my next question. whats a full coil that has an absolute max drop over the rest??? Tein, Ksport, Megan, D2, etc. i dont mind dropping 4k for the ones above, or even 2k to get what i need

[Harold_Fastwaker]

Well, Tein probably wont do the trick. And of all the same Taiwan manufactured coil systems Megan is probably your better bet. However, with that stated, all these companies are ones I would prefer not to buy.

[BonzaiCelica]

megan has been around since 2001. d2 and k sport have been around for a few years more. Megan's will give you the biggest drop.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 7, 2009 - 3:15 PM

[Rusty]

Just wondering if anyone has this in english? I sort of got the jest of it. its been a while since I did japanese. lol

[Rusty]

so noone has it in english?

[BonzaiCelica]

haha funny that you mention japanese. I actually just came from my japanese class at college, just started today. Ya I know that wasnt much help to your problem. what are you trying to get out of that brochure?

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jan 21, 2010 - 1:32 AM

[Rusty]

just interested thats all, would like to know what that graph is talking about. its the kanji characters I dont get.

[BonzaiCelica]

guys Ive notice that there is a difference between the Tein Super Street Coilover's found on the ST202 Super Strut and the ST204/AT200.

-ST202 Super Strut: Front 4k, Rear 3K

-ST204/AT200 McPherson: Front 7K, Rear 5K

why is there such a major difference between the two, I know the super strut has slightly more camber angle which in turn would allow it not to compress as much and need a lower kilo rating per shock?? that's my guess but what is the real answer???

[Rusty]

The ST202 series (superstrut & Mcpherson) share the same tein spring rate. ^ my above spec sheet. The USDM vs JDM tein adj coilovers are different.

How would camber angle have an effect on suspension travel (besides guard rubbing)?

[azian_advanced]

this is just a guess and i can't read japanese but the diagram is plotted as the force vector (in Newtons) vs compression (in meters i think). since it's not a linear plot it wouldn't be based on the springs alone but the springs with the dampers together. one graph per model type, and two plots per graph based on the damper settings. the dotted line being the softest setting.

[Rusty]

cool thanks for that, I thought it might have had something to do with damper settings

[BonzaiCelica]

The ST202 series (superstrut & Mcpherson) share the same tein spring rate. ^ my above spec sheet. The USDM vs JDM tein adj coilovers are different.

How would camber angle have an effect on suspension travel (besides guard rubbing)?

WHAT!!! what do yo mean superstrut and mcpherson spring rates are the same for the Tein SS. are you talking about the lowering springs??

Huh what do you mean the USDM vs JDM adjustable coilovers are different. your talking about the Superstrut Coilovers vs the Mcpherson Coilovers right? yes I would like to know why that is so. When they list the 4k front and 3k rear for superstrut are they referring to the spring rate on the coilover or is that the dampening force for the shock of the coilover, did I lose you???

camper angle should have an effect on suspension travel right or not really? since i do watch a lot of best motoring videos and hot version videos of youtube and I see that many integra type r's that are setup by various tuning company's have really stiff coilovers. The coilovers for integra's are rated at 16k front and 14k rear why is this?? is this for more adjustability when it comes to changing the dampening on the coilover??

[azian_advanced]

i did some checking and based on TEIN's japanese website, SuperStreet jdm mcpherson and jdm superstrut spring rates are the same (F: 4kg/mm, R: 3kg/mm). but on the TEIN USA website, SuperStreet usdm mcpherson spring rates are F: 7kg/mm R: 5kg/mm. i'm not sure why there's a huge difference between the jdm and usdm mcpherson spring rates but maybe it's to make up for the missing upper mounts? since the UK mcpherson spring rates are the same as the JDM ones and also come with the upper mounts.

[BonzaiCelica]

OK So I understood you. but do not mix superstrut jdm mcpherson in the same phrase, that just confuses other members so from my undestanding let me clear things up.


Japan Tein SuperStreet Coilover specs : McPherson and SuperStrut springs rates are the same (Front : 4kg/mm, Rear : 3kg/mm)

United States Tein SuperStreet Coilover specs : Mcpherson spring rates are (Front : 7kg/mm, Rear : 5kg/mm)

I will ask tein usa as to why the spring rates are different and as to why they do not provide upper mounts here for USA Dealers....

now my question why the hell are spring rates for the jdm and usdm so low. I know that megan coilovers are at 10kg/mm front and 7kg/mm rear!!!

[Rusty]

different driving conditions?

[BonzaiCelica]

different driving conditions?

hmm hence the name Super Street Coilovers, since I would imagine that USA has smoother roads???... ya I'll get to asking that question to Tein by today if not by tomorrow, and also how much it costs to rebuild shocks

[BonzaiCelica]

As most of you know driving conditions here in California have very smooth roads, where testing most likely took place for the AT200/ST204 Tein Super Street Coilover specs setup. The fact that Europe and Japan come with pillow ball mounts has nothing to do with the different spring rates, but just with different road conditions. Being that USA has better road conditions generally speaking. with that said here are the specs for both mcPherson and Superstrut Susupension :


Cost to Rebuild Shocks here in California are $75 per coilover for original specs listed on the sheet above.

If you want a custom set up, it will be $100 per coilover

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 25, 2013 - 4:03 AM

[Johnnyny]

dat price is not too bad i was expecting worse

[BonzaiCelica]

question about the height adjustment between the ST202 Superstrut and ST205 SuperStrut. Why is the adjustablitiy on the ST202 at the front +.39 to -1.57 and the rear is the same. How would you get your suspension to go higher. I dont get that???

Then the ST205 specs are as follows, Front -.59 to -1.77 and Rear -.51 to -1.77.

where can I get alignment specs for the Superstrut suspension. I've only asked this questions two times before and no answers!. I believe on the GT-4 Guys can help me with this. how would any shops over here in California do it????